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An Open Letter to the Obama Administration from Central and Eastern Europe (IMPORTANT)
wyborcza.pl ^ | 2009-07-15 | Valdas Adamkus, Martin Butora, Emil Constantinescu, Pavol Demes, Lubos Dobrovsky, Matyas Eorsi, Istv

Posted on 07/19/2009 1:35:26 PM PDT by lizol

An Open Letter to the Obama Administration from Central and Eastern Europe

2009-07-15

by Valdas Adamkus, Martin Butora, Emil Constantinescu, Pavol Demes, Lubos Dobrovsky, Matyas Eorsi, Istvan Gyarmati, Vaclav Havel, Rastislav Kacer, Sandra Kalniete, Karel Schwarzenberg, Michal Kovac, Ivan Krastev, Alexander Kwasniewski, Mart Laar, Kadri Liik, Janos Martonyi. Janusz Onyszkiewicz, Adam Rotfeld, Vaira Vike-Freiberga, Alexandr Vondra, Lech Walesa.

We have written this letter because, as Central and Eastern European (CEE) intellectuals and former policymakers, we care deeply about the future of the transatlantic relationship as well as the future quality of relations between the United States and the countries of our region. We write in our personal capacity as individuals who are friends and allies of the United States as well as committed Europeans.

Our nations are deeply indebted to the United States. Many of us know firsthand how important your support for our freedom and independence was during the dark Cold War years. U.S. engagement and support was essential for the success of our democratic transitions after the Iron Curtain fell twenty years ago. Without Washington's vision and leadership, it is doubtful that we would be in NATO and even the EU today.

We have worked to reciprocate and make this relationship a two-way street. We are Atlanticist voices within NATO and the EU. Our nations have been engaged alongside the United States in the Balkans, Iraq, and today in Afghanistan. While our contribution may at times seem modest compared to your own, it is significant when measured as a percentage of our population and GDP. Having benefited from your support for liberal democracy and liberal values in the past, we have been among your strongest supporters when it comes to promoting democracy and human rights around the world.

Twenty years after the end of the Cold War, however, we see that Central and Eastern European countries are no longer at the heart of American foreign policy. As the new Obama Administration sets its foreign-policy priorities, our region is one part of the world that Americans have largely stopped worrying about. Indeed, at times we have the impression that U.S. policy was so successful that many American officials have now concluded that our region is fixed once and for all and that they could "check the box" and move on to other more pressing strategic issues. Relations have been so close that many on both sides assume that the region's transatlantic orientation, as well as its stability and prosperity, would last forever.

That view is premature. All is not well either in our region or in the transatlantic relationship. Central and Eastern Europe is at a political crossroads and today there is a growing sense of nervousness in the region. The global economic crisis is impacting on our region and, as elsewhere, runs the risk that our societies will look inward and be less engaged with the outside world. At the same time, storm clouds are starting to gather on the foreign policy horizon. Like you, we await the results of the EU Commission's investigation on the origins of the Russo-Georgian war. But the political impact of that war on the region has already been felt. Many countries were deeply disturbed to see the Atlantic alliance stand by as Russia violated the core principles of the Helsinki Final Act, the Charter of Paris, and the territorial integrity of a country that was a member of NATO's Partnership for Peace and the Euroatlantic Partnership Council -all in the name of defending a sphere of influence on its borders.

Despite the efforts and significant contribution of the new members, NATO today seems weaker than when we joined. In many of our countries it is perceived as less and less relevant - and we feel it. Although we are full members, people question whether NATO would be willing and able to come to our defense in some future crises. Europe's dependence on Russian energy also creates concern about the cohesion of the Alliance. President Obama's remark at the recent NATO summit on the need to provide credible defense plans for all Alliance members was welcome, but not sufficient to allay fears about the Alliance´s defense readiness. Our ability to continue to sustain public support at home for our contributions to Alliance missions abroad also depends on us being able to show that our own security concerns are being addressed in NATO and close cooperation with the United States

We must also recognize that America's popularity and influence have fallen in many of our countries as well. Public opinions polls, including the German Marshall Fund's own Transatlantic Trends survey, show that our region has not been immune to the wave of criticism and anti-Americanism that has swept Europe in recent years and which led to a collapse in sympathy and support for the United States during the Bush years. Some leaders in the region have paid a political price for their support of the unpopular war in Iraq. In the future they may be more careful in taking political risks to support the United States. We believe that the onset of a new Administration has created a new opening to reverse this trend but it will take time and work on both sides to make up for what we have lost.

In many ways the EU has become the major factor and institution in our lives. To many people it seems more relevant and important today than the link to the United States. To some degree it is a logical outcome of the integration of Central and Eastern Europe into the EU. Our leaders and officials spend much more time in EU meetings than in consultations with Washington, where they often struggle to attract attention or make our voices heard. The region's deeper integration in the EU is of course welcome and should not necessarily lead to a weakening of the transatlantic relationship. The hope was that integration of Central and Eastern Europe into the EU would actually strengthen the strategic cooperation between Europe and America.

However, there is a danger that instead of being a pro-Atlantic voice in the EU, support for a more global partnership with Washington in the region might wane over time. The region does not have the tradition of assuming a more global role. Some items on the transatlantic agenda, such as climate change, do not resonate in the Central and Eastern European publics to the same extent as they do in Western Europe.

Leadership change is also coming in Central and Eastern Europe. Next to those, there are fewer and fewer leaders who emerged from the revolutions of 1989 who experienced Washington's key role in securing our democratic transition and anchoring our countries in NATO and EU. A new generation of leaders is emerging who do not have these memories and follow a more "realistic" policy. At the same time, the former Communist elites, whose insistence on political and economic power significantly contributed to the crises in many CEE countries, gradually disappear from the political scene. The current political and economic turmoil and the fallout from the global economic crisis provide additional opportunities for the forces of nationalism, extremism, populism, and anti-Semitism across the continent but also in some our countries.

This means that the United States is likely to lose many of its traditional interlocutors in the region. The new elites replacing them may not share the idealism - or have the same relationship to the United States - as the generation who led the democratic transition. They may be more calculating in their support of the United States as well as more parochial in their world view. And in Washington a similar transition is taking place as many of the leaders and personalities we have worked with and relied on are also leaving politics.

And then there is the issue of how to deal with Russia. Our hopes that relations with Russia would improve and that Moscow would finally fully accept our complete sovereignty and independence after joining NATO and the EU have not been fulfilled. Instead, Russia is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics and methods. At a global level, Russia has become, on most issues, a status-quo power. But at a regional level and vis-a-vis our nations, it increasingly acts as a revisionist one. It challenges our claims to our own historical experiences. It asserts a privileged position in determining our security choices. It uses overt and covert means of economic warfare, ranging from energy blockades and politically motivated investments to bribery and media manipulation in order to advance its interests and to challenge the transatlantic orientation of Central and Eastern Europe.

We welcome the "reset" of the American-Russian relations. As the countries living closest to Russia, obviously nobody has a greater interest in the development of the democracy in Russia and better relations between Moscow and the West than we do. But there is also nervousness in our capitals. We want to ensure that too narrow an understanding of Western interests does not lead to the wrong concessions to Russia. Today the concern is, for example, that the United States and the major European powers might embrace the Medvedev plan for a "Concert of Powers" to replace the continent's existing, value-based security structure. The danger is that Russia's creeping intimidation and influence-peddling in the region could over time lead to a de facto neutralization of the region. There are differing views within the region when it comes to Moscow's new policies. But there is a shared view that the full engagement of the United States is needed.

Many in the region are looking with hope to the Obama Administration to restore the Atlantic relationship as a moral compass for their domestic as well as foreign policies. A strong commitment to common liberal democratic values is essential to our countries. We know from our own historical experience the difference between when the United States stood up for its liberal democratic values and when it did not. Our region suffered when the United States succumbed to "realism" at Yalta. And it benefited when the United States used its power to fight for principle. That was critical during the Cold War and in opening the doors of NATO. Had a "realist" view prevailed in the early 1990s, we would not be in NATO today and the idea of a Europe whole, free, and at peace would be a distant dream.

We understand the heavy demands on your Administration and on U.S. foreign policy. It is not our intent to add to the list of problems you face. Rather, we want to help by being strong Atlanticist allies in a U.S.-European partnership that is a powerful force for good around the world. But we are not certain where our region will be in five or ten years time given the domestic and foreign policy uncertainties we face. We need to take the right steps now to ensure the strong relationship between the United States and Central and Eastern Europe over the past twenty years will endure.

We believe this is a time both the United States and Europe need to reinvest in the transatlantic relationship. We also believe this is a time when the United States and Central and Eastern Europe must reconnect around a new and forward-looking agenda. While recognizing what has been achieved in the twenty years since the fall of the Iron Curtain, it is time to set a new agenda for close cooperation for the next twenty years across the Atlantic.

Therefore, we propose the following steps:

First, we are convinced that America needs Europe and that Europe needs the United States as much today as in the past. The United States should reaffirm its vocation as a European power and make clear that it plans to stay fully engaged on the continent even while it faces the pressing challenges in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the wider Middle East, and Asia. For our part we must work at home in our own countries and in Europe more generally to convince our leaders and societies to adopt a more global perspective and be prepared to shoulder more responsibility in partnership with the United States.

Second, we need a renaissance of NATO as the most important security link between the United States and Europe. It is the only credible hard power security guarantee we have. NATO must reconfirm its core function of collective defense even while we adapt to the new threats of the 21st century. A key factor in our ability to participate in NATO's expeditionary missions overseas is the belief that we are secure at home. We must therefore correct some self-inflicted wounds from the past. It was a mistake not to commence with proper Article 5 defense planning for new members after NATO was enlarged. NATO needs to make the Alliance's commitments credible and provide strategic reassurance to all members. This should include contingency planning, prepositioning of forces, equipment, and supplies for reinforcement in our region in case of crisis as originally envisioned in the NATO-Russia Founding Act.

We should also re-think the working of the NATO-Russia Council and return to the practice where NATO member countries enter into dialogue with Moscow with a coordinated position. When it comes to Russia, our experience has been that a more determined and principled policy toward Moscow will not only strengthen the West's security but will ultimately lead Moscow to follow a more cooperative policy as well. Furthermore, the more secure we feel inside NATO, the easier it will also be for our countries to reach out to engage Moscow on issues of common interest. That is the dual track approach we need and which should be reflected in the new NATO strategic concept.

Third, the thorniest issue may well be America's planned missile-defense installations. Here too, there are different views in the region, including among our publics which are divided. Regardless of the military merits of this scheme and what Washington eventually decides to do, the issue has nevertheless also become -- at least in some countries -- a symbol of America's credibility and commitment to the region. How it is handled could have a significant impact on their future transatlantic orientation. The small number of missiles involved cannot be a threat to Russia's strategic capabilities, and the Kremlin knows this. We should decide the future of the program as allies and based on the strategic plusses and minuses of the different technical and political configurations. The Alliance should not allow the issue to be determined by unfounded Russian opposition. Abandoning the program entirely or involving Russia too deeply in it without consulting Poland or the Czech Republic can undermine the credibility of the United States across the whole region.

Fourth, we know that NATO alone is not enough. We also want and need more Europe and a better and more strategic U.S.-EU relationship as well. Increasingly our foreign policies are carried out through the European Union - and we support that. We also want a common European foreign and defense policy that is open to close cooperation with the United States. We are the advocates of such a line in the EU. But we need the United States to rethink its attitude toward the EU and engage it much more seriously as a strategic partner. We need to bring NATO and the EU closer together and make them work in tandem. We need common NATO and EU strategies not only toward Russia but on a range of other new strategic challenges.

Fifth is energy security. The threat to energy supplies can exert an immediate influence on our nations' political sovereignty also as allies contributing to common decisions in NATO. That is why it must also become a transatlantic priority. Although most of the responsibility for energy security lies within the realm of the EU, the United States also has a role to play. Absent American support, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline would never have been built. Energy security must become an integral part of U.S.-European strategic cooperation. Central and Eastern European countries should lobby harder (and with more unity) inside Europe for diversification of the energy mix, suppliers, and transit routes, as well as for tough legal scrutiny of Russia's abuse of its monopoly and cartel-like power inside the EU. But American political support on this will play a crucial role. Similarly, the United States can play an important role in solidifying further its support for the Nabucco pipeline, particularly in using its security relationship with the main transit country, Turkey, as well as the North-South interconnector of Central Europe and LNG terminals in our region.

Sixth, we must not neglect the human factor. Our next generations need to get to know each other, too. We have to cherish and protect the multitude of educational, professional, and other networks and friendships that underpin our friendship and alliance. The U.S. visa regime remains an obstacle in this regard. It is absurd that Poland and Romania -- arguably the two biggest and most pro-American states in the CEE region, which are making substantial contributions in Iraq and Afghanistan -- have not yet been brought into the visa waiver program. It is incomprehensible that a critic like the French anti-globalization activist Jose Bove does not require a visa for the United States but former Solidarity activist and Nobel Peace prizewinner Lech Walesa does. This issue will be resolved only if it is made a political priority by the President of the United States.

The steps we made together since 1989 are not minor in history. The common successes are the proper foundation for the transatlantic renaissance we need today. This is why we believe that we should also consider the creation of a Legacy Fellowship for young leaders. Twenty years have passed since the revolutions of 1989. That is a whole generation. We need a new generation to renew the transatlantic partnership. A new program should be launched to identify those young leaders on both sides of the Atlantic who can carry forward the transatlantic project we have spent the last two decades building in Central and Eastern Europe.

In conclusion, the onset of a new Administration in the United States has raised great hopes in our countries for a transatlantic renewal. It is an opportunity we dare not miss. We, the authors of this letter, know firsthand how important the relationship with the United States has been. In the 1990s, a large part of getting Europe right was about getting Central and Eastern Europe right. The engagement of the United States was critical to locking in peace and stability from the Baltics to the Black Sea. Today the goal must be to keep Central and Eastern Europe right as a stable, activist, and Atlanticist part of our broader community.

That is the key to our success in bringing about the renaissance in the Alliance the Obama Administration has committed itself to work for and which we support. That will require both sides recommitting to and investing in this relationship. But if we do it right, the pay off down the road can be very real. By taking the right steps now, we can put it on new and solid footing for the future.


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Valdas Adamkus - Former President of the Republic of Lithuania
Martin Butora - Former Ambassador of the Slovak Republic to the United States
Emil Constantinescu - Former President of the Republic of Romania
Pavol Demes - Former Minister of International Relations and Advisor to the President, Slovak Republic
Lubos Dobrovsky - Former Defense Minister of the Czech Republic, former Ambassador to Russia
Matyas Eorsi - Former Secretary of State of the Hungarian MFA
Istvan Gyarmati - Ambassador, President of the International Centre for Democratic Transition in Budapest
Vaclav Havel - Former President of the Czech Republic
Rastislav Kacer - Former Ambassador of the Slovak Republic to the United States
Sandra Kalniete - Former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Latvia
Karel Schwarzenberg - Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Czech Republic
Michal Kovac - Former President of the Slovak Republic
Ivan Krastev - Chairman of the Centre for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, Bulgaria
Alexander Kwasniewski - Former President of the Republic of Poland
Mart Laar - Former Prime Minister of Estonia
Kadri Liik - Director of the International Centre for Defense Studies in Tallinn, Estonia
Janos Martonyi - Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hungary
Janusz Onyszkiewicz - Former Vice-president of the European Parliament, former Defense Minister, Poland
Adam Rotfeld - Former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Poland
Alexandr Vondra - Former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister, Czech Republic
Vaira Vike-Freiberga - Former President of the Republic Latvia
Lech Walesa - Former President of the Republic of Poland
1 posted on 07/19/2009 1:35:26 PM PDT by lizol
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To: mstar; se99tp; AdvisorB; onedoug; AnalogReigns; The_Media_never_lie; dixiebelle; voteNRA; ...
Eastern European ping list


FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

2 posted on 07/19/2009 1:37:18 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

deaf ears in DC. Sorry, gentlemen, your expendable to the new US President.


3 posted on 07/19/2009 1:45:45 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: lizol

It would be better received had it been written in Swahili or Arabic.


4 posted on 07/19/2009 1:54:14 PM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: lizol

Great post — lots to absorb — thanks for posting it.


5 posted on 07/19/2009 1:55:46 PM PDT by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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To: lizol

“Dear Folks,

Hillary will get back to you as soon as she has quelled the street corner fight in Andorra.

Have a nice life,

Your pals, Barry, Joe, and Rahmbo”


6 posted on 07/19/2009 1:59:49 PM PDT by aShepard ("OK Class: repeat after me: "BUSH BAD- OBAMA SAVIOR OF MANKIND")
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To: lizol
Russia is back as a revisionist power pursuing a 19th-century agenda with 21st-century tactics and methods.

I was thinking this was about 3,000 or twenty-five hundred words.

It is 3,220.

In John T. Flynn's The Roosevelt Myth are a number of revealing, pathetic passages such as:

"Be assured, gentlemen, that the restoration of the countries occupied by Germany and suffering under the Axis yoke is my greatest concern, which is shared in like degree by Mr. Churchill. We promise that all will be done to insure the independence of these countries."

Churchill was present. He turned to the Polish Ambassador and said:

"We will never forget what glorious Poland has done and is doing nor what heroic Greece and Holland have done in this war. I hope I need not add that Great Britain has set herself the aim of restoring full independence and freedom to the nations that have been overrun by Hitler."44

Russia moves to crush Georgia--ali Hussein Obama counsels restraint on both sides, revealing his true Communist nature.

Please be advised this is the same Alinskenfuhrer who was taught by Frank Marshall Davis of the glories of the Red Army.

Do not waste words with the Communists' apparatchik in the Oval Office.

Soros and the Saudis and other sinister figures in the shadows have worked for decades to put him in the position to destroy America.

7 posted on 07/19/2009 2:03:46 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: lizol; snippy_about_it

Good old anticommunist USA of Edgar Hoover, sen.McCarthy and then Ronald Reagan is unfortunately gone. Marxists seem to have injected much venom into America’s soul and I’m afraid Americans won’t cope with that red poison.


8 posted on 07/19/2009 2:37:57 PM PDT by Matt_Rel
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To: lizol

BTTT


9 posted on 07/19/2009 2:38:34 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: lizol
We must also recognize that America's popularity and influence have fallen in many of our countries as well. Public opinions polls, including the German Marshall Fund's own Transatlantic Trends survey, show that our region has not been immune to the wave of criticism and anti-Americanism that has swept Europe in recent years and which led to a collapse in sympathy and support for the United States during the Bush years. Some leaders in the region have paid a political price for their support of the unpopular war in Iraq. In the future they may be more careful in taking political risks to support the United States. We believe that the onset of a new Administration has created a new opening to reverse this trend but it will take time and work on both sides to make up for what we have lost.

F**k them. If they must criticize Bush to curry favor with Obama, then they lose any credibility with me. Bush helped expand NATO and offered an anti-missile system to protect Europe. The US spends more on defense than all of the other countries in NATO combined.

Europeans and Canadians are spending about 1% of GDP on defense. They have been on security welfare for decades with the US taxpayers footing the bill. It is high time Europe starts to pay its fair share of the defense burden. The truth is that the US can no longer afford its current global defense commitments as we sink below an ocean of debt that will force us to choose between butter and guns.

10 posted on 07/19/2009 2:59:26 PM PDT by kabar
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To: lizol

Unfortunately Friends and Allies Of America are Now Persona Non Grata in the White House. Your calls for assistance goes in one of Dumbos BIG ears and Out the Other


11 posted on 07/19/2009 3:52:51 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: kabar

You are reading that incorrectly. These people (the ones I’m familiar with, at least), laid their necks on the line for the Bush Administration. If you’re not familiar with what they did, then you shouldn’t criticize them for pointing out the obvious.


12 posted on 07/19/2009 4:53:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lizol

I wish I knew Polish so that I could register on that forum and slap some commies around. The person who posted that Al Jazeera link, especially.


13 posted on 07/19/2009 5:02:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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I am not reading it incorrectly. I know what they did, I was in Poland for two years during martial law[ 1981-83] and in Berlin for four years [1983-87.] I don't appreciate the gratuitous slamming of the Bush administration or our decision to get rid of Saddam. Lots of Europeans were bought off by the Oil for Food money.

It was the Reagan and Bush [41 and 43] administrations that put out their necks for them. Reagan supported Solidarnosc' and his urging that the Soviets tear down the Berlin Wall. It is totally unnecessary for these leaders to deningrate the Bush administration to ingratiate themselves with Obama.

NATO has become a farce, mainly because the Europeans are not willing to spend money in their own defense. And the EU's desire to set up the European Rapid Reaction Force outside NATO is just another example of the Europeans wanting their cake and eating it too. And we can't even get NATO to provide their share of combat troops in Afghanistan despite the enactment of Article 5.

I can understand why these former Warsaw Pact nations are nervous about the Obama foreign policy that wants to accommodate Russia by getting rid of the ABM installations in exchange for Russian support on Iran. However, their quarrel should be with their fellow Europeans in the EU and NATO. They are not pulling their weight and the US can no longer afford to bail them out. We are broke. The US is in decline as a global power.

Obama is our first European President. He will enact his socialist agenda, which will cause us to choose between butter and guns. And we will choose butter just like the Europeans.

FYI: Americans were not very popular in Europe during the Vietnam War or when Reagan was stationing Pershing missiles in Turkey.

14 posted on 07/19/2009 5:12:58 PM PDT by kabar
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I don't think you get it. These nations are looking at the most serious strategic realignment threat to their nations, namely the U.S. tossing them to the (Russian) wolves, for the most petty political reasons (such as the Obama Administration seeking to "score" a political victory--with the missile defense system, for example), and you are telling them to "take it up with the EU or NATO." You can't see past your own bias.

And to suggest that Valdas Adamkus (again, for example) is "denigrating" the Bush 43 Administration is simply odd. He was one of the Bush 43Administration's biggest supporters as President of Lithuania, and worked in the Bush 41 Administration.

15 posted on 07/19/2009 5:21:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lizol

These are people who know tyranny and doubtless understand what we’re up against. I see this as a very diplomatic effort to engage the administration productively in Europe. I doubt they expect a positive response, but they can’t stand by and watch without trying to influence things in a more positive direction. There’s a lot of collective wisdom in this group. Unfortunately, their wisdom isn’t welcome at the white hut.


16 posted on 07/19/2009 7:13:12 PM PDT by Think free or die (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M.Thatcher)
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To: Miztiki

ping


17 posted on 07/19/2009 7:46:16 PM PDT by Miztiki
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Of course I get it. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? The European countries must start paying for their own defense and NATO must come up with a new mission.

The US is looking towards the Pacific and Far East. Together, the Chinese and Japanese hold $1.5 trillion of our national debt or about one-helf of the foreign holdings. Our four largest trading partners are Candada, Mexico, Japan, and China. And the greatest potential military and economic threat is China.

Russia is a country in decline. Its population of 140 million people is headed for a major decline with an annual population growth of minus0.467% and a fertility rate of 1.41 children born/woman. The male life expectancy rate at birth is 59.33 years and the national rate is 66 years or 177th in the world. If it weren't for its nuclear arsenal and oil, Russia would be considered a third world country. Europe with a population of over 300 million and a much bigger economy should be able to deal with any Russian military threat, especially if the US provides the nuclear umbrella.

And to suggest that Valdas Adamkus (again, for example) is "denigrating" the Bush 43 Administration is simply odd. He was one of the Bush 43Administration's biggest supporters as President of Lithuania, and worked in the Bush 41 Administration.

Everyone who signed the letter should be held responsible for what is in it. I suggest you reread it. The letter also contains the familiar attack on the visa wavier system, which is set by Congress and not the WH. Moreover, it is based on specific standards, e.g., visa refusal rates, which countries must meet to be eligible. Poland does not meet those current standards.

Europe must be more responsible for its own defense. The US is the world's largest debtor nation. We cannot afford to absorb these costs any longer. We have been living beyond our means for decades. And Obama will quadruple our debt in the next 10 years without cap and trade and nationalized health care.

The third largest line item in the federal budget [after the entitlement programs and national defense] is the costs of servicing the national debt or about $400 billion. In less than a decade it will be about a $1 trillion. And by 2016 SS will go in the red followed closely by Medicare. You can bet that defense will be cut to make up the shortfalls. We already have a navy of less than 300 ships, down from the 600 we had in the 1960s when I was in the US Navy.

18 posted on 07/19/2009 9:06:12 PM PDT by kabar
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You are pounding a square peg into a round hole. These are sovereign nations with a legitimate concern for their safety. The Lithuanians have gotten over being sold down the river time and time again, including by the Americans. They aren't whining even a bit as loud as you are. You expect them to go quietly because they owe us?

Let's cut to the chase: are you in the middle of some Pat Buchanan paleotard foreign policy fantasy? Because it would explain a lot.

19 posted on 07/19/2009 9:38:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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The Lithuanians have gotten over being sold down the river time and time again, including by the Americans. They aren't whining even a bit as loud as you are. You expect them to go quietly because they owe us?

You don't seem to get it. I acknowledged the reason why the former Warsaw Pact nations and Baltic countries are concerned about their future and the ability and will of NATO to meet its commitments. And they are also worried about internal forces that might revert back to their days under communism. My point is that they need to address these concerns to their fellow Europeans who are not pulling their weight in meeting the continent's security needs. And they don't need to attack the Bush administration to ingratiate themselves to Obama.

FYI: Lithuania spends 1.14% of its GDP (FY 2008) on defense and has an active duty force of 15,500. It has 5 personnel in Iraq and 141 in Afghanistan. It has lost one person in Afghanistan. It can do more. It is a nation of 3.5 million. It has a negative annual population growth rate of -0.279% and one of the lowest fertility rates in the world at 1.23 children born/woman.

Let's cut to the chase: are you in the middle of some Pat Buchanan paleotard foreign policy fantasy? Because it would explain a lot.

How can you possibly come to that conclusion? I have not advocated disengagement or an isolationist policy. The reality is that the US no longer has the resources to maintain its former level of global presence. We are broke and becoming more so. We must set some priorities on how and where we will use those resources. The Pacific has become more important and more in need of our attention compared to Europe. Russia is less a threat to our strategic interests for the reasons I stated. Europe can and must do more in its own self-defense. They need to increase their expenditures beyond the 1% of GDP they are spending.

NATO must develop a new mission to remain relevant. It must be willing to engage more in security issues outside Europe. NATO went into Afghanistan under Article 5, but most of the member countries are not providing the resources to meet their commitments. The Germans don't want their forces engaging in combat. The Europeans couldn't even handle Bosnia and Kosovo by themselves. The US bore the brunt of those operations.

A revitalized NATO can help the US by sharing some of the defense burden and promote security and democracy around the globe. Otherwise, NATO will cease to be relevant. The current gap between the US and other NATO forces is so great that it raises some basic questions about interoperability and the alliance's ability to function together effectively.

20 posted on 07/20/2009 5:15:45 AM PDT by kabar
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