Posted on 07/17/2009 7:09:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
The healthcare plan Obama wants for everyone is not near the plan Romney wanted for Mass. Romney felt he was doing the people a great service but he never advocated they die off when they were too costly for the system.
Romney's plan may have worked but I have been told that when it was implemented they had no money and the plan could not survive the way it was meant. It was wrong and I believe Romney does not stand a chance at the presidency once the citizens of Mass speak out. They are saying it is extremely expensive and no one is getting the care they need. Only the responsible have signed up and are paying their share and the freeloaders share.
With Obama's plan he is saying it is so bad that he has exempted himself, his family and capital hill from it. Only the serfs will be forced into this plan. Obama said himself when asked if he would go along with his healthcare plan, he said if it were my family I would want the best of care. Totally avoiding the exclusion in the bill that congress gets to keep their golden healthcare plan paid for by taxpayers. They can pick and choose where and who they want to see. YOU will see who they say and when they say.
Once any plan kicks in the medical field will be so overloaded by the ones getting free healthcare you will never see a medical professional. Anything free is abused. 20% of a group health plan uses 80% of the coverage. It's a fact. Did you see the article where 4 people had made like 900 visits each in 2 years to emergency? It was free.
Now I know you will run back and say this is all lies but it is plainly in the bill. The other obama plan in the bill is every 5 years (or more often if sickly) your parents and grandparents will sit with a government agent and discuss their end of life care. Euthanasia is what they call it. last night on cavuto it was mentioned that they will sign forms and the guy said it would save money and his complaint was CBO did not take into account the euthanasia savings.
I was raised to believe no one knows when we die except God. If you don't believe in God, then believe in a Obamacare who says you are too costly for our system so take the pain pill because we are not paying for your medical treatments. At Obama's pre-planned, and staged town hall on healthcare, a lady said she was able to get a pacemaker for her mother at 92. She sounded upset that the first physician refused because of her mothers age. Coldly Obama said maybe she should take the pain pill instead. As we applaud the oldest people in our newspapers weekly, obama feels they are too costly.
It is all in the bill and in obamas words what he wants America to accept. The costs for the elderly are to steep so they must die. Did you hear when Obama said I went through this with my grandmother and her hip surgery. He meant maybe she should not have had the surgery because in a few months she was not doing better. Then obama goes to see her, within a day or two after he leaves she dies. Right as planned. Then before media finds out she has been cremated. I was told within hours of her death. Sounds to me like Obama used his grandmother for his future healthcare plan for seniors.
It makes me sick to think of my parents going through government telling them they should consider physician assisted suicide so others can have healthcare. In fact I can tell you my loved ones will not be going to the government discussing any illness or end of life.
There is so much more obama is lying about. He does not intend on anyone having their own private plans. Jake Tapper caught the lie, obama fessed up and then went right back to telling the lie again at the next media hype. Jake called him on it in a article. I doubt obama knew he was doing it because his messages are all scripted and he has no clue what he is saying. Just words to Obama. Words to fulfill his fascist dreams.
Remember what I post here, this healthcare plan if it goes through will be revoked. It is illegal and Americans will not stand for obama's agenda to depopulate his opposing party or old people. Right now dems are scratching their heads whether obama has the rights within the constitution to do what he has done. Once it affects them as in not getting re-elected they will finally know obama has done many things not of the Constitution.
Liberal or conservative, Obama is taking revenge on the people who made America great. He wants change and that change (power over you) will bring down America.
AARP are as liberal as they get and they use any membership fees to lobby for Universal healthcare.
32 trillion is promised in government run medical programs which is bankrupt for the most part or due to run out. And how is putting another 50 million people in a government medical program going to help that problem? Unless of course, we give up our health care plans and give obama the premiums we pay instead. Thats 50 million uninsured because they are illegal or cannot afford insurance, or are between jobs, or could apply for medi-cal /medicaid but have not. Another percentage of that 50 million invincible young feel they do not need it. Some have it offered at work but refuse to pay for their healthcare. They have other priorities. So who is going to pay for the 50 million not able to pay anything?
Now as Obama takes your wealth and hands it to Jeff Immelt of General electric, obama also got his buddy Daschle a nice board membership in GE's healthyimagination medical registry. The one that will decide who gets rationed. The daschle who wrote the book on healthcare reform that looks justlike the chart of obama big government health reform Boehners released.
As President-elect Obama's apparent choice for health and human services secretary and as White House health care czar, it is a fair guess that Tom Daschle's view on health care legislation may be decisive.
"Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis," in which the gracious former Senate leader lays out without equivocation both the policy he recommends and the tactics for how to pass it.
He proposes setting up a board to establish standards for health care delivery in the United States that would be modeled on how the Federal Reserve Board and Securities and Exchange Commission oversee banks and corporations.
On Page 179, he writes, "The Federal Health Board wouldn't be a regulatory agency, but its recommendations would have teeth because all federal health programs would have to abide by them." Although his board technically would have no say on the 68 percent of health care that is provided through the private sector, at the bottom of Page 179, Daschle modestly adds: "Congress could opt to go further with the Board's recommendations. It could, for example, link the tax exclusion for health insurance to insurance that complies with the Board's recommendation."
Those last 19 words would spell the end of independent private-sector health care in America. Obviously, no health insurance would be sold if it were denied the tax deduction. Thus, every policy, every standard decided by this board would be the law of the land for every drug company, every hospital, every doctor and every health insurance company.
in the section in which he identifies "losers" under his plan, Daschle is admirably candid. Among the explicit "losers," he includes: "Doctors and patients might resent any encroachment on their ability to choose certain treatments, even if they are expensive or ineffectual compared to alternatives. Some insurers might object to new rules that restrict their coverage decisions. And the health-care industry would have to reconsider its business plan (emphasis added)." That is to say, they can stay in business and deliver their services, but only as the government bureaucrats say they may. They no longer would be genuinely independent.
We have already seen Obama tell private corporations what they can or cannot do and with threats.
One of the things that Daschle says will have to change is the "technology arms race" he claims hospitals are engaging in "to attract aging baby boomers with the latest diagnostic imaging machines." Imagine that, offering customers the latest technology, which, as Daschle admits on Page 125, "help(s) doctors estimate the spread of cancer or the extent of cardiac disease without surgery."
Recent cost cutting measures announced by drug companies, hospitals, insurance companies, medical device manufacturers, labor unions.
1. Cut diagnostic imaging tests like MRIs and CAT scans.
2. Reduce the use of antibiotics.
3. Perform fewer Caesarean sections.
4. Cut care for management of chronic back pain
Of course, for Daschle, the problem with such high-tech diagnostics is that it leads to treatment. On pages 123-124, he cites a study approvingly for the proposition that there are too many angiograms being performed. By too many, he specifically cites a study of 828 angioplasties in which only a third were likely to benefit the patients. Another half might or might not, and 14 percent were not likely. Now I might conclude that if 85 percent of the patients receiving the treatment might benefit (the one-third who definitely would and the 50 percent who might) and if I were one of them, I might want the procedure. But for Daschle, that would be a waste of money, and "the imaging test that shows narrowing of the arteries was to blame (for the excessive treatment)."
What followed is my favorite line in the book: "When the test revealed a narrowing of the artery, however slight, cardiologists couldn't resist doing something about it." Imagine a doctor trying to cure his patient.
Cardiologists may have thought they were carrying out their responsibilities. But under the Daschle(/Obama?) plan, political hacks appointed to the Health board will decide whether your cardiologist is allowed to image your arteries and, if they find blockage, try to treat it successfully.
But that is not all he doesn't like about private-sector health care. On Page 174, he points out the dangers of letting drug companies advertise their products to the public: The public may want the drugs even if some Washington bureaucrat likes another drug instead.
He believes that Americans are not entitled to just any care that might do some good. Yep, Page 122: "Many patients with insurance want any care that might do some good, and plenty of doctors will oblige them."
Recognizing that some of these ideas may not be vastly popular, he recommends two basic legislative strategies.
Quotes: We’ve got to get it done this year,” Mr. Obama said, standing on the South Lawn of the White House, surrounded by House Democratic leaders. “We’ve got to get it done this year, both in the House and Senate. We don’t have any excuses.”
"This next 6-8 weeks is going to be critical," he told his audience, asking them to help pressure Congress to get it done. If the country puts off health care reform, he said, "it's never going to happen."
The other strategy, which is very smart, is to leave the nasty details out of the bill. He says that was one of Clinton's mistakes in 1993. Clinton put too many details in the bill, thus alerting those who disagreed to mount an opposition (pages 108-109). Daschle recommends passing a vague bill and then "a Federal Health Board should be charged with establishing the system's framework and filling in most of the details. This independent board would be insulated from political pressure."
Obama said last week, just pass a bill, details can be worked out later.
(Congress did the same with the stimulus, omnibus and 2010 budget. No one read it. Now we face a 1100 page climate bill that no one has read.)
By "political pressure," he means the democratic process of electing fellow citizens to Congress who then pass legislation about which the public is informed before final passage -- and about which they may wish to petition their government for redress of grievances. Apparently, we can end petty bickering and partisanship by not letting anyone know what the new laws will contain.
Obama Stimulus Plan
The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
New Penalties
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.
Someone you can't vote out like Obama's 32 czars.
He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
Elderly Hardest Hit
Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
Your great leader is exempt. Obama plans on being POTUS forever so he has to have the best of healthcare. And for those wanting Universal health care or single payer, I can onlysay take a good look at Obama's 18 million dollar website to show you where the stimulus dollars are going. This is the person who will set up administration that costs less than private insurance companies?
The Kennedy HealthCare bill would transfer enormous power over health care to Washington
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2481.cfm
FYI, Baucus who is in charge of the healthcare plan overhaul, has received over 3 million in campaign donations from big pharm. Any plan he settles on will protect pricing for his supporters.
Finally—and this is more of an inside Washington issue—Obama endorsed ripping Medicare coverage decisions away from Congress. That would mean that lobbies representing different medical specialties, drug companies, device makers, hospitals, home health nurses and other providers would cease to have influence over their own payment rates as they do now.
Our household has been boycotting the TV networks altogether for almost a year and a half. Talk radio and Internet - that's all the media we need. The newspaper was used (literally) to line the bird cage.
We didn't get a digital converter box for our TV, and have no plans to, either.
Anyone have any doubts obama wants euthanasia? These are tweets I just received from Major garrett FOX NEWS white house correspondent on Obama’s health care day at ABC.
Obama wants a expert on end of life treatments. Similar to Oregon and Washingtons physician assisted suicide instead of paying for medical treatments?
If obama gets a expert like he did for climate change, (ignoring all scientific results because it went against their agenda or the expert saying valley farmers cannot have water because of non endangered smelt) we are all doomed to soylent green Obama medical care.
Argh! Misfire. Obama sez in last tweet. Obama does want “expert” advice on end-of-life treatment. Whose expert? Unclear
Obama talked AA ystrdy re smoking. 2nite a new AA: “Adequate,affordable”
Very serious Q: does joy/quality of life count vs cost-effectiveness? Huge end-of life issue.
“we don’t want you to have to change” your health care, Obama says. New take on old promise “you get to keep” what you like
Obama talked AA ystrdy re smoking. 2nite a new AA: “Adequate,affordable”
Part of Obama answer re: capacity - new plan phased in (won’t say how slow/fast) and new incentives for primary care sted specializing
Obama talked AA ystrdy re smoking. 2nite a new AA: “Adequate,affordable”
Obama; lack of necessary docs/nurses for potential load of 46 mil patients “significant issue”
HC capacity inadequate, Obama says, for primary care. Will take “years” to remedy.21
Obama talked AA ystrdy re smoking. 2nite a new AA: “Adequate,affordable”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597492337757443.html#mod=rss_opinion_main
Rationing, and not only withholding care from the elderly.
President Obama’s TV health-care forum on Wednesday evening was useful, because revealing. Namely, Mr. Obama shared more than he probably intended about the kind of rationing that his health plan will inevitably impose.
At one point in the town hall, broadcast from the East Room by ABC news, a woman named Jane Sturm told the story of her 105-year-old mother, who, at 100, was told by an arrhythmia specialist that she was too old for a pacemaker. She ended up getting a second option, and the operation, for which Ms. Sturm credits her survival.
“Look, the first thing for all of us to understand that is we actually have some — some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care,” Mr. Obama replied. After discussing ways “we as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves,” he continued that in general “at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller.”
What Mr. Obama is describing is his preferred health-care future. If or when the Administration’s speculative cost-cutting measures under universal health care fail to produce savings, government will start explicitly limiting patient access to treatments and services regarded as too expensive. Democrats deny this eventuality, but health planners will have no choice, given that the current entitlement system is already barreling toward insolvency without adding millions of new people to the federal balance sheet.
Earlier, a physician asked Mr. Obama if he would subject his own family to the restrictions of a national health plan, even if specialists recommended treatments that weren’t covered. The President was noncommittal: “And you’re absolutely right that, if it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.” We suspect most Americans would agree.
Beware Obamacare’s Fine Print
Congress’s Health Care Double Standard
In a desperate scramble to pay for the soaring costs of President Obama’s health care plan, the Senate Finance Committee is contemplating taxing for the first time the health insurance benefits workers get from their employers. One approach would tax the benefits only of workers earning over $100,000. An alternate proposal would tax the value of health care benefits that exceed a cap.
But the taxes wouldn’t be applied equally. Union members serving under collective bargaining agreements would be exempt, even though they often have the richest and most extensive packages of benefits. Union officials have told Democratic leaders of Congress that because collective bargaining agreements can last several years, they should be exempt from any tax because contracts can’t be changed quickly enough to avoid it.
The real reason, of course, is that unions have political clout and are exercising it. The exemption is “a means of making sure that unions are foursquare behind any reform bill that comes out,” Henry Aaron, a Brookings Institution scholar, told the Washington Examiner.
There’s a reason the Obama health care plan is being rushed through Congress this summer — because the American people would likely never support it if given time to absorb and understand such fine print. If the union carve-out isn’t sufficient to excite public anger, wait till you hear about the version of the Obama plan prepared by Senator Edward Kennedy, which would specifically exempt Members of Congress from many of its provisions.
As the U.S. Office of Personnel Management notes, Members of Congress “enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country.” According to page 114 of the Kennedy bill, a similar array of choices would not be available to other Americans in the future. Instead, they would be shunted into health insurance plans under the straightjacket of whatever the government decides is a “basic” plan.
The goal would be to restrict care for the general public in order to control costs, while making sure Congress gets the gold-plated attention it’s accustomed to. Ultimately, the rest of us would be asked to trade a private insurance company as gatekeeper for a government gatekeeper. The difference, of course, is that most of us can fire our insurance gatekeeper. Just try to do that once the government fills that role.
—John Fund
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I’m on board!
A war with the leftists will be easy. Conservatives will take up battle any time to defend thier liberties. Liberals will always try to pacify.
Bring ‘em on!
Some tweets and some information that is vital for all to know about the plan.
Take The Pain Pill Obamacare! http://tinyurl.com/knodtp
Panelists warn of the revival of eugenics under Obama’s modern healthcare through the denial of care to millions who would be judged ‘not fit to live’, just as in Nazi Germany.
Historian Anton Chaitkin also alleges that Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, in working with Obama, has also called for the Hippocratic oath to be ‘junked.’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-0SHFEgGo
I have mentioned before Obama wants to be known as a progressive. Progressives believed they could control the population through eugenics. Obama fully supports tax dollars to planned parenthood for abortions. Planned parenthood was formed to make a cleaner race.
Health care reform this Weds. Watch the vid & submit your q’s: http://bit.ly/U3pgV
Progressives & Eugenics http://tinyurl.com/nh76v2
Schumer says health care isn’t dead yet – Dems might have to do it alone! http://tinyurl.com/m6zs39
SINGLE PAYER.
http://tinyurl.com/mdcnf5
Nonetheless, two recent news media polls have found public support for a government plan, even if many people are unsure about its implications. The most recent survey, a New York Times-CBS News poll released Sunday, found that 72 percent supported the idea, including half of those who identified themselves as Republicans.
“The polling data backs up our subjective view that to make health care reform work, you need a public option,” said Schumer.
SCHUMER IS lying and he knows the poll did not suggest any such thing. THE poll did not say Americans wanted a public option. http://tinyurl.com/n85dod
O has excluded his healthcare plan 4 congress & they will not pay taxes on benefits Just you! http://tinyurl.com/ngddqr
Canadian Health Care: The End of Innovation? John Stossel
http://tinyurl.com/rb35go
JohnStossel Reaction to my Health Care Piece Being Pulled by ABC
http://bit.ly/5wb2N
Pelosi Won’t Give Public a Week to Review Text of Health-Care Bill Before House Votes on It http://tinyurl.com/mhfatp
Obama’s ‘Very Best Care’ For His Own Family Not 4 U, ABC Comment Largely Unimportant Elsewhere http://tinyurl.com/r777cq
ABC: A Love Story ABC ended up revealing more about Obama and the network than the health care debate itself. http://tinyurl.com/l6rfwy
Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical
Care http://tinyurl.com/6syao5
In Belgium and the Netherlands physician-assisted suicide did morph into direct patient-killing, and critics say it’s a likely scenario here
Washington Death w/ Dignity Act,a first step toward not only
physician-assisted suicide but ultimately euthanasia
http://tinyurl.com/lqx9xu
Oregon’s Death with Dignity Act Between ‘98 & “07, physicians wrote a total
of 541 prescriptions for lethal doses of medication, 341 died
Obama Has excluded His Wonderful healthcare plan 4 congress & they will not
pay taxes on benefits either. Just you! http://tinyurl.com/ngddqrabout
A partially born child is among the weakest, most helpless beings in our
midst and on that account exerts a special claim on our protection
Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III wrote in concurring with the majority opinion.
http://tinyurl.com/mu95gk
Gibbs: I am not going to get into that? Why R U There? What Obnoxious Jerk.
Elitist Attitude extraordinaire! http://tinyurl.com/l445t7
MSM, U & Your Children, parents R Not Exempt From Obamas Universal Rationed
Health Care. Only Gobernment is excluded. Why The Exclusion?
Conyers: if the government were to spend the same amount as individual
Americans
— $2.5 trillion – universal healthcare could be a reality, adding that the
current privatized system was “broken.”
Conyers bill, H.R. 676 would establish a publicly funded,
government-administered healthcare systm similar 2 those in Canada & Great
Britain
Conyers’ plan, the guvmint would use taxpayers money 2 fund expansion of
Medicare that would extend health coverage 4 everyone in U.S
Admin official: WH in the next 10 days detail savings of $200 billion to
$300 billion that could b realized from Mcare over the next decade
By giving up their freedom of choice,Americans R supposed 2 save a
overburdened welfare state that already operates dangerously in the red.
“Newspeak,” of course, is when the words of a language are distorted to fit
a totalitarian regime’s plan to restrict liberty.
Rangel described the public plan as “the best of Medicaid, best of
Medicare
, then kick it up a notch.” The chairmen estimated the plan would cover 95
percent of Americans.
“This was always going to be messy,” said a senior administration
strategist.
“It got messy faster and earlier than people thought. But none of it is
anything that’s going to stop it.”
Obama’s message below was made July ‘08, he planned on major regulations and
Universal healthcare. This is Obama regarldess of crisis.
Obama:“I am someone who is no doubt progressive,” adding that he believes in
universal health care and that government has a strong role
to play in overseeing financial institutions and cracking down on abuses in
bankruptcies and the like. http://tinyurl.com/6dujux
Today Progessives Use CRISIS, Healthcare,global warming, economy,private
corp takeovers, czars for regulations, Power, Control
http://tinyurl.com/4k99wz PROGRESSIVES THRUOUT time have radical ways of
getting control over the people for ultimate power,
Today Progessives Use CRISIS, Healthcare,global warming, economy,private
corp takeovers, czars for regulations, Power, Control
Further, they think we’re stupid,” said DeMint. They think that you don’t
know that government does not work well http://tinyurl.com/lejuc612:34
You get euthanasia so Obama can control costs. This is taking your freedom 2
get the best healthcare available away so Obama has slush funds
In critiquing the Hippocratic Oath, Dr. Emanuel calls for training medical
students “to move toward more socially sustainable
Physician Disputes Obama’s Claim of 46 Million Uninsured Americans, unknown
how many illegals uninsured http://tinyurl.com/n6xle6
Obama Wants “Best Care” For His Family But Obfuscates On What taxpayers get.
http://tinyurl.com/me2ty2
To the zombies of the left, reality doesn’t matter.I DON’T CARE ANYMORE LET
THE ZOMBIES TAKE OVER MEDICINE http://tinyurl.com/nyl29e1:24
Is Obama the First Pro-Euthanasia President? And Obama Against Second
Diagnosis. http://tinyurl.com/maccgu1:45
83 percent of Americans are very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of
health care http://tinyurl.com/mjernt2:19
Obama, You believe all diagnosis and physicians are perfect, never make a
mistake or take a life due to malpractice?
Obama: So, if he tells me, You know what, you’ve got such-and-such and you
need to take such-and-such
, I don’t go around arguing with him or go online to see if I can find a
better opinion than his.
amen bump
that was a lot to post I know. Please copy and read later. Just know what obama is doing to you and your loved ones for wealth redistribution and his personal oligarchs.
Back just in time to read this and vote my approval for this message.
Ok, thank you.
Yes, when you are reading the bill onkube, do a search for the word abortion. It’s there.
Increasing money for Planned Parenthood
Making abortion on demand the law.
There was a page number on another thread that got corrected. I’m thinking it was on p 425
I’ll find some other threads from the Religion forum and link them to you.
Please ping Lowbridge also because he is reading the bill page by page but is also able to do a word search on it.
We need a page number and the exact language to help in this fight.
thank you!
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