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Withholding Taxes Chart
Trivisonno ^ | 7/16/09

Posted on 07/17/2009 9:40:12 AM PDT by FromLori

Each business day, the United States Treasury Department publishes a report on the workings of the government’s income and spending. One of the items on this report is the “Withheld Income and Employment Taxes.” (Here in the USA, workers have taxes automatically deducted from each paycheck.) This project charts this data.

Current through the Daily Treasury Statement dated July 15, 2009.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brokenrecord; taxes; withholding

1 posted on 07/17/2009 9:40:12 AM PDT by FromLori
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To: FromLori

2 posted on 07/17/2009 9:41:57 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

YIKES!! Get this over to Denninger, this is right up his alley. I did some comparison on this with the DOW. When this chart dipped so did the DOW in 2002.


3 posted on 07/17/2009 9:53:29 AM PDT by Orange1998
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To: FromLori

If we wanted true freedom from taxes and tax tyranny we would outlaw automatic withholding, then overnight the entire middle class would become fiscal conservatives.


4 posted on 07/17/2009 9:57:41 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Not quite overnight, it would happen sometime between the middle of January and April 15th.


5 posted on 07/17/2009 9:59:44 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: FromLori

Unemployment chart should correlate nicely to that chart...


6 posted on 07/17/2009 10:25:26 AM PDT by goodnesswins (WHO is Jim Thompson?)
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To: Orange1998

He has a market ticker forum you can post on..

http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?forum=Ticker


7 posted on 07/17/2009 10:26:09 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: GraceG

Us self employed people get nailed quarterly. Hate putting aside 25%+ of my income knowing it’s not for savings, it’s to pay the Fed.


8 posted on 07/17/2009 10:28:34 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: politicket

Ping


9 posted on 07/17/2009 10:32:14 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Bo the dog came with more paperwork than his owner.)
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To: FromLori

I assume you were a member of his thread since you often post on FR about his writings. That is what I get for assuming.


10 posted on 07/17/2009 12:11:18 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: 444Flyer

Thanks! That’s great information and is making into my Economic Update email today.


11 posted on 07/17/2009 12:18:00 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: GraceG

Milton Friedman said that withholding payroll taxes was one of the ideas he regretted the most. Government thought it was a great idea.


12 posted on 07/17/2009 12:20:55 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: FromLori

Obama’s stimulus was a small reduction in payroll deductions. Not a reduction in taxes due, just the amount they withheld. This didn’t cause the bottom to fall out of the withholding shown on the chart though.

I heard it was about $40 to $50 a month?


13 posted on 07/17/2009 12:24:07 PM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: FromLori
Many of the “research experts” at the retail investment companies have been projecting a drop of around 3.6% in GDP this year. The estimates are useful to them as marketing propaganda, but have little validity otherwise.

Since the vast majority of the 140 million Americans in the workforce have LESS ability to defer or avoid taxes than Corporations or investors, this metric actually UNDERSTATES the contraction of the U.S. economy this year.

In 2009, U.S. GDP may well contract by 10-12%. If Douglas Elmendorf, Director of the Congressional Budget Office, is correct in stating that Federal spending is unsustainable now (and I agree with him), by January the U.S. economy may find itself in the economic equivalent of what aviators refer to as being “behind the power curve,” “under the anvil” (rotary wing), or in a “death spiral.” It doesn't matter what control inputs you make, including neutralizing and doing nothing, the situation is not recoverable.

The “National Income Identity” is not a true mathematical identity. We are about to get hard proof that despite the equal sign (which is more of an accounting convention for double-entry book keeping and slightly less valid than “goodwill”) a dollar of government spending is NOT the same as a dollar of consumer spending, or private investment.

We are about to get dramatic (and probably irrevocable) proof that the sign of the “multiplier effect” for a dollar of government spending is OPPOSITE the sign of the multiplier effect for consumption or private investment. The reality is that a dollar of government spending has a much higher probability of reducing our GDP than the probability of growing GDP associated with a dollar of private investment or consumption.

Finally, since government accounting is based on cash flow vice accrual methods, the government cannot make an “investment.” It can however run up massive amounts of deficits, debts, and liabilities.

14 posted on 07/17/2009 12:41:49 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: Domandred

I’ll bet when you have a family emergency and have to dip into that 25% the government isn’t very compassionate about it.


15 posted on 07/17/2009 12:48:05 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: politicket

You’re welcome Politicket.:)

(See post #14 too. It’s a good one.)


16 posted on 07/17/2009 1:11:20 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Bo the dog came with more paperwork than his owner.)
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