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Pope Benedict's Meeting with Obama a Setback for Conservative Catholics
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/10/gibson-on-pope-obama-meeting/ ^ | July 10, 2009

Posted on 07/10/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by NCjim

This has been a tough stretch for conservative Christians in America, especially of the Catholic variety.

Notre Dame welcomed Barack Obama at commencement with open arms and an honorary degree after a number of bishops and conservative activists decreed that the nation's preeminent Catholic university had forfeited its bona fides with the invitation. The president has said that the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is not a priority, promised that "robust" conscience protections for health care workers are coming, and pushed for a package of abortion-reduction legislation that should be unveiled by summer's end.

And just this week, Pope Benedict XVI published an encyclical -- an authoritative teaching document -- on social justice that goes further than Obama ever would in castigating free-market economics and proposing vigorous oversight with "real teeth," and even international regulation of the global economy.

Now, fresh off his appearance at the G8 Summit in nearby L'Aquila, Obama is to buzz over to the Apostolic Palace for a sit-down with the pontiff, who upended quasi-sacred papal protocol by making room for the meeting late on Friday afternoon and delaying his summer exit to his hilltop villa at Castelgandolfo. (Popes always receive visitors in audience in the morning, and yes, such an accommodation is a big deal in the pontifical cosmos.)

Perhaps the only good news for conservatives was White House spokesman Robert Gibbs' preemptive declaration that Obama would not be joining a church in Italy during his visit. Gibbs was joking of course, but not everyone is laughing.

So can a photo-op at the Vatican change the political dynamic in Washington?

Generally speaking, that would be a stretch. But in reality there's much more going on than a friendly handshake. Ever since Obama was elected, in fact, church officials in Rome have signaled a much greater and much more public openness to Obama than church leaders in the United States. Indeed, Obama received a telegram of congratulations from Benedict on the day of his election -- "historic," the pope called it -- and the two men later chatted by phone. The Vatican daily, L'Osservatore Romano, has been almost glowing in its coverage of Obama, especially compared to the dim view of Catholic theocons, some of whom have lobbied for the L'Osservatore editor to find a new job.

Such an argument would be tougher to make against Cardinal Georges Cottier, who for years was the official theologian to the papal household, meaning he vetted all papal pronouncements for orthodoxy. In a lengthy essay in a prominent Italian Catholic periodical, "30 Giorni," Cardinal Cottier rejects the talking point of Obama as "pro-abortion" and praises his "humble realism" and the president's apparent reflection of the thinking of Saint Thomas Aquinas. High praise indeed. Or, as veteran Vatican-watcher Sandro Magister put it: "Cardinal Cottier seems almost to exalt Obama as a new Constantine, the head of a modern empire that is also generous toward the Church."

For his part, Obama has been diligent in courting the Catholic vote, and there appears to be more than political maneuvering at work. Obama knows how to "talk Catholic," in the words of more than one participant at last week's White House meeting between Obama and a select group of Catholic journos from across the spectrum. At that meeting he cited the late Chicago cardinal, Joseph Bernardin, as an inspiration and he spoke easily about Bernadin's "seamless garment" approach to pro-life and social justice issues. He can talk theology and original sin (as he did at Notre Dame) and he knows that you address the pope as "Your Holiness" -- something it took George W. Bush a while to learn. (At a 2007 meeting with Benedict, President Bush made aides wince by repeatedly referring to the pope as "sir."

Obama's approach to international affairs has also been a profound relief to Vatican officials, as well as church leaders around the world. (One top Latin American prelate I spoke with on the eve of the election kept peppering me for polling updates, seeking assurance that McCain could not win.) As E.J. Dionne writes in The Washington Post, "the pope and many of his advisers also see Obama as a potential ally on such questions as development in the Third World, their shared approach to a quest for peace in the Middle East and the opening of a dialogue with Islam." You can include climate change, immigration, and human rights, too.

Also boosting Obama's standing has been the miscalculation of many Catholic conservatives and bishops whose virulent rhetoric against the president reached a peak ahead of Obama's May 17 appearance at Notre Dame. Yet the commencement wound up as a triumph for the president, the university, and the majority of Catholics who supported the appearance. And now the pope himself is going to give Obama another platform -- at the heart of Catholicism itself.

Certainly the two men have disagreements, most notably on whether abortion should be legal. (Obama is not likely to differ with the pope much on gay marriage, either, at least in principle.) But they have agreed to disagree in previous communications, and Benedict -- as previous popes -- has made it a policy to hold cordial, even warm talks with leaders with whom he disagrees on some issues. (Benedict, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, sharply opposed Bush's Iraq invasion, but later let bygones be bygones.) Catholic conservatives should have known this would be the case, and by ignoring the inevitability of a meeting like the one on Friday they, in a sense, caught themselves in a political trap of their own making.

The upshot is that Benedict's meeting with Obama will at the very least detoxify the president in the minds of American Catholics (and others), and may do a good deal more. Moreover, it will further erode the credibility of the conservatives whose harsh rhetoric on Obama will now require a sort of cognitive dissonance to reconcile with the facts on the ground, or at least in Rome.

Already some Catholic leaders seem to be striking a different tone with Obama. New York's new archbishop, Timothy Dolan, is a champion of engagement over public confrontation and he is emerging as a leading voice in the hierarchy. Dolan recently said that Catholics "need to give (Obama) his due." The president, he told Religion News Service, "has inspired a sense of hope. He does seem to be tackling problems such as health care and the economy with a vigor that we find laudable, and he does seem to have a refreshing view on issues of international concern."

It has been decades since the bishops were able to deliver votes at the ballot box, and in these recent years of scandal their backing could be seen as a hindrance as much as a help. But an Obama administration that can work with the Catholic Church would be a watershed change from recent years as well. And with Catholics -- the nation's largest single religious voting bloc -- also representing the largest prize of swing voters, a small shift in perceptions could go a long way on Election Day.

If that's case, conservatives may have themselves to blame.


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1 posted on 07/10/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

This Pope is not really that conservative, so, yes, he’s screwing over the conservatives in his church.


2 posted on 07/10/2009 9:22:15 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: NCjim
The Pope's meeting with Obama is an opportunity for Obama's media to spin the Pope into neverland.

The Pope, however, being no slouch, isn't going to be blindsided (tho the media will certainly claim he is). The Pope is a shephard of souls, and apparently believe Obama has one.

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On the nearly-psychotic CBS radio news this am, the correspondent actually said this:

Obama needs the Pope (to get his global initiatives done) and the Pope needs Obama (because of majority of Catholics who voted for Obama, even going against Church teachings).
There are enough astounding implications in this little littany of bullshit to keep bloggers busy for days.
3 posted on 07/10/2009 9:24:32 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: ConservativeMind
This Pope is not really that conservative, so, yes, he’s screwing over the conservatives in his church.

that's quite an assertion. so why don't you make the case-by-case, airtight argument for the rest of us?

4 posted on 07/10/2009 9:25:27 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: NCjim

So from the headline we should surmise that the ass gazer’s meeting with the Pope has supplanted Jesus teachings?


5 posted on 07/10/2009 9:28:45 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: ConservativeMind

“This Pope is not really that conservative...?

How so, please elaborate.


6 posted on 07/10/2009 9:28:50 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: NCjim

Could it be that even the church doesn’t recognize the a.c.?


7 posted on 07/10/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( I hate all politicians. Including republicans.)
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To: NCjim

I am suspicious of everything that happens with the Church since about 1960.


8 posted on 07/10/2009 9:31:56 AM PDT by steve86
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To: ConservativeMind
This Pope is not really that conservative, so, yes, he’s screwing over the conservatives in his church.

Nope, he's not.

I'll wait until some OFFICIAL word from the Vatican on the meeting, to find out what happened I don't trust ANYTHING that comes from That One's administration or any MSM source.

9 posted on 07/10/2009 9:32:04 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NCjim

To be honest, I’d be a lot more worried about the Pope converting Obama than vice-versa. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during their interview.


10 posted on 07/10/2009 9:33:29 AM PDT by Antoninus (I hereby pledge not to allow media whores to pick the GOP candidate in 2012.)
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To: ConservativeMind
This Pope is not really that conservative, so, yes, he’s screwing over the conservatives in his church.

The current pope is much more theologically conservative than the majority of Catholics in the United States. But his most recent encyclical proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this pope is far less socially and politically conservative than the majority of Catholics that inhabit Free Republic, no matter what they would have you believe.

11 posted on 07/10/2009 9:35:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: ConservativeMind
Where is your evidence. From my study of this Pope, you are incorrect.
The Pope is the Shepherd of The Church, He pays diplomatic host to many leaders, due to the status of the Vatican in the diplomatic world.
Even Christ sat among sinners. The Pope is no fool, his knowledge, intelligence, and spiritualness puts Obama in the fools lane.
12 posted on 07/10/2009 9:36:43 AM PDT by rose
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To: the invisib1e hand
The Pope is a shephard of souls, and apparently believe Obama has one.

So did Hitler! If the Church cannot tell the difference between a child like sick person that has destroyed lives like King Obama then that is no church for me. The Pope better wake up. There is evil in the world.

13 posted on 07/10/2009 9:37:17 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: NCjim
It appears to this Conservative Catholic that David Gibson (the author of the piece) had a prepenned anti-Benedict screed and was waiting for an opportunity to unleash it. Had the Pope not met with Obama the piece would have been that Benedict was turning his back on the millions of wayward Catholics and had missed an opportunity to change their hearts and save their souls.
14 posted on 07/10/2009 9:37:46 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Alex Murphy
How is he less socially conservative?
15 posted on 07/10/2009 9:38:01 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Logical me
The Pope better wake up. There is evil in the world.

Why don't you email him! Surely he'd be grateful for that bit of enlightenment!

16 posted on 07/10/2009 9:39:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: Alex Murphy; ConservativeMind; All
Editorial: Pope's New Encyclical Speaks Against, not for One-World Government and New World Order

Is the Pope for New World Order?

The Pope on ‘Love in Truth:’ Anyone seeking a repudiation of the market economy will be disappointed.

17 posted on 07/10/2009 9:40:28 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I laughed when he posted it....the liberals were screaming bloody murder when Benedict took the papacy as he is a strict line Catholic who follows the rules by the book and was considered too conservative...


18 posted on 07/10/2009 9:41:52 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: ConservativeMind
"This Pope is not really that conservative, so, yes, he’s screwing over the conservatives in his church."

Well because he talked to Obama maybe conservatives should demand that he not receive communion. That would show the Pope he shouldn't screw them.

19 posted on 07/10/2009 9:42:50 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook
conservatives should demand that he not receive communion.

lol!

20 posted on 07/10/2009 9:47:22 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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