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‘Ghostboxes’ haunt communities across U.S.
MSNBC/AP ^ | July 6, 2009

Posted on 07/10/2009 9:11:41 AM PDT by Lorianne

As the recession takes its toll on big-box retailers, more communities across the country are having to confront not just the eyesore of giant empty stores, but also the loss of jobs and tax revenue that follow.

Many are trying to find creative uses for those near windowless monoliths. In Minnesota, one became a Spam Museum. In Texas, an indoor go-cart track. In Illinois, a church moved into an empty Wal-Mart. The new tenants, however, often generate less revenue for local governments.

The International Council of Shopping Centers said 6,913 retail stores — of all types — announced closures last year, compared with 4,603 in 2007.

A former Wal-Mart in Carlinville, Ill., was converted to a church, but not before a legal battle from the city.

Mayor Robert Schwab said retail space is at a premium in the city of about 6,000, so when Wal-Mart announced it was building a new Supercenter in town, community leaders were hopeful the old facility could be turned into new retail space.

Instead, Wal-Mart sold the 50,000-square-foot building to the Carlinville Southern Baptist Church in 2007.

“Nothing against churches, but the city loses, the county loses and the school district loses sales tax and property tax as a source of revenue,” the mayor said.

“It was probably the largest building available in probably the whole county,” Schwab said. “There was a lot of interest in it but Wal-Mart found a willing buyer that gave them no competition at all.”

The city and the church settled a federal lawsuit last year over the church’s right to operate in a commercially zoned property, Schwab said. The church was given and a special-use permit, and the city’s insurer paid $125,000 in compensation to the church and $50,000 to the city in a settlement, he said.

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1 posted on 07/10/2009 9:11:41 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The fault of 0buma.


2 posted on 07/10/2009 9:14:13 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: Lorianne
“It was probably the largest building available in probably the whole county,” Schwab said. “There was a lot of interest in it but Wal-Mart found a willing buyer that gave them no competition at all.”

I assume the fact that it was WalMart's building never figured into Mr. Schwab's thought processes.
3 posted on 07/10/2009 9:16:47 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: Lorianne
In Texas, an indoor go-cart track. In Illinois, a church moved into an empty Wal-Mart.

Huh? I never heard of a Wal-Mart closing except to move to a new and bigger location. But there are many other store closings.

4 posted on 07/10/2009 9:17:47 AM PDT by Will88
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To: reagan_fanatic

He’s the mayor, important and should get to say who buys and sells in his town.


5 posted on 07/10/2009 9:19:32 AM PDT by kenth
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To: Lorianne
so when Wal-Mart announced it was building a new Supercenter in town, community leaders were hopeful the old facility could be turned into new retail space.

Should have read further, but I just knew that Wal-Mart closure was probably to move to a new and bigger location. WM is not one of the chains that is closing stores to leave an area, for certain.

6 posted on 07/10/2009 9:20:46 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Lorianne

I’m thinking indoor shooting range. That might cause some hearts to palpitate in Taxachusetts, though.


7 posted on 07/10/2009 9:21:48 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lorianne
The church was given and a special-use permit, and the city’s insurer paid $125,000 in compensation to the church and $50,000 to the city in a settlement, he said.

It appears neither MSNBC nor the AssPress is capable of editing text anymore.

8 posted on 07/10/2009 9:26:35 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: Lorianne

Big churches attract people to buy homes close by and to lunch at local bistros.

The city wins. They just don’t know it yet.


9 posted on 07/10/2009 9:26:47 AM PDT by texmexis best (uency)
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To: Will88

Hasn’t WalMart closed some stores in localities that enacted “bill of attainder” laws targeted to screw WalMart alone — work rules, union accomodation, zoninbg, supra-minimum wage, environmental obligations, “fair trade” requirements, etc.? I seem to remember them canceling a store in or near Chicago that would have employed thousands.


10 posted on 07/10/2009 9:31:02 AM PDT by Norman Conquest (By the time you're talking price, your soul is already sold.)
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To: Lorianne
Two words: MALL ZOMBIES

11 posted on 07/10/2009 9:33:30 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Lorianne

“Nothing against churches, but the city loses, the county loses and the school district loses sales tax and property tax as a source of revenue,” the mayor said.

O BLANKING cry me a river “mayor”!


12 posted on 07/10/2009 9:34:30 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: evets

They look happy because they’ve just had their singing lesson.


13 posted on 07/10/2009 9:34:53 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: texmexis best

In a town of 6000 population? 50 miles off the beaten path? Its just another struggling farm town; it isnt going to attract lots of people to live there. If the new super center is located within the city limits, then it will compensate for the tax revenue. Knowing Wallyworld, they would try to locate outside the corporate limits.

Interesting that a church would have the capital to purchase such a large building.


14 posted on 07/10/2009 9:35:56 AM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: savedbygrace

You mean sewing lesson ;)


15 posted on 07/10/2009 9:36:37 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Will88
Huh? I never heard of a Wal-Mart closing except to move to a new and bigger location. But there are many other store closings.

Yep - this is suspect. It's more a liberal hit piece on Walmart.

Have you ever seen a headline that said, "Prius kills Mother and child" ? Never, right? But you do see, "SUV kills 3 In Accident". That kind of writing is disguised hatred of all that is conservative ...

Same with most of the "walmart" stuff...

16 posted on 07/10/2009 9:36:44 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Obama Administration: Soft & Sweet with Enemies. Tough & Unfair with Friends.)
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To: Lorianne

Just like there were “Hoovervilles” in the great depression, perhaps we should start referring to the ghost boxes as “O-marts”.


17 posted on 07/10/2009 9:36:57 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Billthedrill

Forget it. You can’t get a carry permit in most towns in Mass. and they do not honor those of surrounding states (like mine).


18 posted on 07/10/2009 9:37:53 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: Lorianne
“Nothing against churches, but the city loses, the county loses and the school district loses sales tax and property tax as a source of revenue,” the mayor said.

The mayor begins with 'nothing against churches', then proceeds with a laundry list of issues against churches. Liar.

19 posted on 07/10/2009 9:38:29 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: freedomlover

Sewing lessons don’t make zombies happy. They live to sing. Singing makes them happy.

And the Singer store is where they’ve chosen to take singing lessons. Zombie happiness


20 posted on 07/10/2009 9:40:50 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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