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1 posted on 07/09/2009 8:37:07 AM PDT by NYer
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This is being posted to Breaking News to address the confusion arising from another thread, two days ago. Please ping any and all who were confused.


2 posted on 07/09/2009 8:38:17 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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3 posted on 07/09/2009 8:38:45 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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FINALLY, some one gets is right.


5 posted on 07/09/2009 8:41:45 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: NYer
How does a 'dispersed' political authority (from your quote of him) have strong enforcement power for the issues below? Also, the Pope seems to think that the prior 'New World Order' was around womens' rights, which is what the Pope apparently thinks was wrong with that iteration (how he ever thought that was the issue, I have NO IDEA). The Pope wants this 'New, New World Order' to enforce the following (notably devoid of womens' rights issues):

“This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago.”

“Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights[148]. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums.”

So, he has no technical solutions and won't interfere in US politics, but he wants a human superauthority with complete enforcement powers that:

- Serves as a global political order
- Serves as a global economic order
- Serves as a global juridical order
- Disarms all countries
- Regulates migration
- Prevents “imbalances”
- Provides food security
- Provides peace

6 posted on 07/09/2009 8:47:45 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: NYer

Summation: “Let’s make a world political authority - but let’s make a nice one”.

Not gonna work.


7 posted on 07/09/2009 8:49:27 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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There is no confusion. The Pope is a socialist.

He writes in euphemisms that he quite purposefully knows will be appreciated by socialists around the world and taken by them, and used by them - with his knowledge - as moral support for the THEIR agendas. Those are the facts.

Just scratch any group of learned Catholic economists and you’ll find they are socialists and just like Obama they will say their political-economic views have been informed by the Catholic Church’s “social justice” teachings.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 8:49:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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If I may make an observation:

I am from the Fundamentalist Protestant background that invented the fear of a "one world government" and "one world religion." But originally it was always understood that this referred only to an evil, counterfeit OOG and OOR. Everyone who believes in an objectively true religion must believe that eventually that religion will triumph and be in fact a "one world religion" in the truest sense of the word. And as for "one world government"--ever hear of the Millennium?

Within the past couple of decades this idea seems to have been lost and now any OOG or OOR is considered evil--even that of G-d Himself. I cannot help but wonder if this is not henotheism--the idea of a separate, equally valid "truth" for every people and nation--sneaking back in.

Personally, I am all for One World Government and One World Religion--provided only that it is from G-d Himself. Any other claimant to these titles must be resisted to the utmost.

11 posted on 07/09/2009 8:51:26 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Mosheh 'el-Benei Yisra'el; kekhol 'asher-tzivvah HaShem 'et-Mosheh.)
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To: NYer

ping


16 posted on 07/09/2009 9:18:33 AM PDT by Renatus
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It appears we still have some confusion here -- people are believing the lamestream journalism that first bashed this document rather than reading it for themselves.

Here are two threads for them to also read!

A Capitalist or Anti-Capitalist Encyclical? [Caritas in Veritate]

What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Subsidiarity, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]

21 posted on 07/09/2009 9:32:34 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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"We must," he says "promote a dispersed political authority."

This is what happens when people don't read the totality of the encyclical and try to cherry pick quotes.

Having read about 2/3 of the encyclical at this point, I can say that it's not the kind of thing that can be reduced to pull-quotes. It must be read, considered, digested, reconsidered, studied, and discussed.
22 posted on 07/09/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by Antoninus (Time to fight back--donate to Free Republic, then donate to www.sarahpac.com)
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To: DoughtyOne; nmh

Ping!


29 posted on 07/09/2009 9:50:59 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer; Salvation; All

If people read enough of the encyclicals starting with Pope Leo XIII on the abuse of human freedom that has been leading up to this point ,they would understand this encyclical is more a warning to the human centered globalization that was predicted and already here due to man’s immorality to obey God.

We should be looking at this encyclical as a final warning from God given to the Church for mankind to end materialism,greed,abortion etc.. and to be willing to sacrifice for others through charity and for the love of fellow man who suffers poverty ,hopelessness etc..

In other words...It’s late in the Game folks!

I wish everyone would read the following encyclicals first before making quick off the cuff uneducated loony conspiracy comments that plays into the devil’s hands

QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON SOCIALISM
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_28121878_quod-apostolici-muneris_en.html
Excerpts...We speak of that sect of men who, under various and almost barbarous names, are called socialists, communists, or nihilists, and who, spread over all the world, and bound together by the closest ties in a wicked confederacy, no longer seek the shelter of secret meetings, but, openly and boldly marching forth in the light of day, strive to bring to a head what they have long been planning - the overthrow of all civil society whatsoever.

Surely these are they who, as the sacred Scriptures testify, “Defile the flesh, despise dominion and blaspheme majesty.”(2) They leave nothing untouched or whole which by both human and divine laws has been wisely decreed for the health and beauty of life. They refuse obedience to the higher powers, to whom, according to the admonition of the Apostle, every soul ought to be subject, and who derive the right of governing from God; and they proclaim the absolute equality of all men in rights and duties. They debase the natural union of man and woman, which is held sacred even among barbarous peoples; and its bond, by which the family is chiefly held together, they weaken, or even deliver up to lust. Lured, in fine, by the greed of present goods, which is “the root of all evils, which some coveting have erred from the faith,”(3) they assail the right of property sanctioned by natural law; and by a scheme of horrible wickedness, while they seem desirous of caring for the needs and satisfying the desires of all men, they strive to seize and hold in common whatever has been acquired either by title of lawful inheritance, or by labor of brain and hands, or by thrift in one’s mode of life. These are the startling theories they utter in their meetings, set forth in their pamphlets, and scatter abroad in a cloud of journals and tracts. Wherefore, the revered majesty and power of kings has won such fierce hatred from their seditious people that disloyal traitors, impatient of all restraint, have more than once within a short period raised their arms in impious attempt against the lives of their own sovereigns.

LIBERTAS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON THE NATURE OF
HUMAN LIBERTY
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_20061888_libertas_en.html

Excerpts...13. Moreover, the highest duty is to respect authority, and obediently to submit to just law; and by this the members of a community are effectually protected from the wrong-doing of evil men. Lawful power is from God, “and whosoever resisteth authority resisteth the ordinance of God’ ;(6) wherefore, obedience is greatly ennobled when subjected to an authority which is the most just and supreme of all. But where the power to command is wanting, or where a law is enacted contrary to reason, or to the eternal law, or to some ordinance of God, obedience is unlawful, lest, while obeying man, we become disobedient to God. Thus, an effectual barrier being opposed to tyranny, the authority in the State will not have all its own way, but the interests and rights of all will be safeguarded - the rights of individuals, of domestic society, and of all the members of the commonwealth; all being free to live according to law and right reason; and in this, as We have shown, true liberty really consists.

14. If when men discuss the question of liberty they were careful to grasp its true and legitimate meaning, such as reason and reasoning have just explained, they would never venture to affix such a calumny on the Church as to assert that she is the foe of individual and public liberty. But many there are who follow in the footsteps of Lucifer, and adopt as their own his rebellious cry, “I will not serve”; and consequently substitute for true liberty what is sheer and most foolish license. Such, for instance, are the men belonging to that widely spread and powerful organization, who, usurping the name of liberty, style themselves liberals.

DIVINI REDEMPTORIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI
ON ATHEISTIC COMMUNISM
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19031937_divini-redemptoris_en.html

Excerpt...If we would explain the blind acceptance of Communism by so many thousands of workmen, we must remember that the way had been already prepared for it by the religious and moral destitution in which wage-earners had been left by liberal economics. Even on Sundays and holy days, labor-shifts were given no time to attend to their essential religious duties. No one thought of building churches within convenient distance of factories, nor of facilitating the work of the priest. On the contrary, laicism was actively and persistently promoted, with the result that we are now reaping the fruits of the errors so often denounced by Our Predecessors and by Ourselves. It can surprise no one that the Communistic fallacy should be spreading in a world already to a large extent de-Christianized.

17. There is another explanation for the rapid diffusion of the Communistic ideas now seeping into every nation, great and small, advanced and backward, so that no corner of the earth is free from them. This explanation is to be found in a propaganda so truly diabolical that the world has perhaps never witnessed its like before. It is directed from one common center. It is shrewdly adapted to the varying conditions of diverse peoples. It has at its disposal great financial resources, gigantic organizations, international congresses, and countless trained workers. It makes use of pamphlets and reviews, of cinema, theater and radio, of schools and even universities. Little by little it penetrates into all classes of the people and even reaches the better-minded groups of the community, with the result that few are aware of the poison which increasingly pervades their minds and hearts.


37 posted on 07/09/2009 10:32:02 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: NYer

This is good news if the Pope is indeed clarifying any support for a one world economic czar.


40 posted on 07/09/2009 10:42:29 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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there is urgent need of a true world political authority

Foolish at best.

If you give anyone or any group "true world political authority" they are going to take it and promptly consolidate power, then it's a de facto dictatorship.

68 posted on 07/09/2009 3:01:19 PM PDT by RJL
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Ping to this thread!


73 posted on 07/09/2009 8:13:44 PM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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