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Some worry a new 9 percent tax on camping will keep people away
Nashua (NH) Telegraph ^ | 2 July, 2009 | Dana Smith

Posted on 07/02/2009 9:52:09 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo

For five months of the year, Marj Rawls and Janice Pollack make New Hampshire their home.

After selling their house in Harpersville, Ala., 12 years ago and using the money to buy an RV, the two have been traveling all across country – and stop at a little campground in Brookline each summer to enjoy the Granite State.

But after making New Hampshire their home for so many summers, they may start rethinking their travel plans due to the state's newly revised rooms and meals tax.

"We love this area and we love coming here," Rawls said. "But now we might have to think about coming back."

Rawls and Pollack are among the many campers and site owners that are confused and concerned with the new 9 percent tax levied on stays at campgrounds. Campsite rental fees had previously been exempt from the rooms and meals tax.

"I just got a letter telling me to start collecting the taxes and how to do it," said Daniel MacLean, owner of Field & Stream RV Park in Brookline. "You would have thought that they would have a meeting with people in the camping business to talk about it."

Other owners said they received no such notice from the state.

"We haven't got in any contact with anyone," said Barry Charest, owner of Friendly Beaver Campground in New Boston. "It seems very unorganized on the state of New Hampshire and they should have given us some time to adjust."

The change in the tax came about when Gov. John Lynch signed the state's two-year budget Tuesday. It took effect at the start of the state's next fiscal year, which just happened to be the very next day, July 1.

Taxing camping sites, much like the tax a person pays for staying in a hotel room, would bring more money into already lean state coffers, state budget writers hoped. The move may prove shortsighted, camping officials said.

"It seems that the state thinks that there is a pot of gold waiting to be scooped up here," MacLean said. "But they are just going to lose the people who come here."

Many campgrounds fear the 9 percent tax will prevent seasonal campers like Rawls and Pollack, who stay for months at a time instead of just for a few nights, from making the annual trip to New Hampshire. Because their stay is longer, the tax can be hefty.

For example, someone staying at a seasonal site at MacLean's Field and Stream RV Park is now facing another $223 charge on top of the $2,475 they are already paying to stay from May to October.

For campers staying for a weekend, the increase isn't huge – about $10 for a three-day stay – but it can add up over the course of a summer.

"We are trying to reduce the effect on the seasonal camper," said Gregg Pitman, executive director of the New Hampshire Campground Association. "The campgrounds that have the most seasonal camps are most concerned. These seasonal campers are the ones that give the owners the money to get through the winter."

There are more than 130 campgrounds in the state, according to the New Hampshire Campground Owner's Association.

Because camping is a relatively inexpensive way for a family to take a vacation, the demographics of campers are generally young families or retirees on a fixed income, according to MacLean. This tax will cut into the money those families have to spend on food and clothes, he said.

Charest, of Friendly Beaver Campground, agrees.

"It's going to have an effect on the people that can't afford a trip to Disney but want to get out and do a family vacation," Charest said. "If the campers have to pay the tax, they are not going to go to the store and spend a little money on things."

In turn, the decreased spending could affect the surrounding economy, some warned.

"I think what is going to happen is that the tax is going to cut into something else they do," said Jayne Cohen, President of Adventure Bound Camping Resorts, which runs the Yogi Bear's Yellowstone Park in the Lakes Region. "They may stay one less night, or not go out to their favorite restaurant or go out to ice cream. In the short term, the state is going to raise the money they need, but in the long run they are going to lose it somewhere else."


TOPICS: Government; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: camground; nh; rv; summercamp; taxation; taxincrease
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Another new tax of which there are and will be a multitude at state and federal levels. With plenty of unintended consequences of course.
1 posted on 07/02/2009 9:52:10 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Idiots! Vacationing campers reserve in advance and when they are told the cost, Maine and Vermont start looking pretty good.


2 posted on 07/02/2009 9:54:15 AM PDT by AU72
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To: NewHampshireDuo

How do you put a room tax on a piece of ground? Everything else is already taxed.

Theres a reason the taxman is very unpopular.


3 posted on 07/02/2009 9:55:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Going camping in Vermont THIS YEAR! The White Mountains are beautiful but the Green Mountains will keep us busy and richer!


4 posted on 07/02/2009 9:55:39 AM PDT by lucky american (Glenn Beck Rocks!!!)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

It doesn’t speak well when only “some” figured out taxes kill business.


5 posted on 07/02/2009 9:55:42 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Camping is not inexpensive if you own an RV or a travel trailer. The sites are usually $25 or more a night, not to mention gas to get there and the cost of a truck to pull the trailer. And the cost of an RV is crazy. Even tent camping is not cheap.


6 posted on 07/02/2009 9:57:07 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: caver

Next thing ya know they’ll be trying to tax the RVs parked in the Wal-Mart parking lots.


7 posted on 07/02/2009 10:01:12 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I think Chincoteague VA has 9.5% tax on campsites and there seems to be no shortage of campers. Yearly campsite rental is exempted from the tax. Perhaps an unintended good thing will be campgrounds will be able to let more yearly sites.


8 posted on 07/02/2009 10:01:24 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: NewHampshireDuo

A few years ago there was a Robin Williams movie called Popeye. One of the character was a tax collector. It seemed every possible activity had a tax on it.

I think we are reaching that point.

The question is when will the people wake up and vote these guys (and gals) out of office.

This will in the long run reduce the amount of taxes collected. Fewer campers, fewer people shopping in the local economy, less taxes collected.

I am not an economist, but I understand the concept.


9 posted on 07/02/2009 10:02:18 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (Live like there is no tomorrow but save like you are going to live to be a hundred)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

We all need to go camp on the White House lawn until Urkel is out of office!


10 posted on 07/02/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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I don't know, an extra 9% to stay at “The Friendly Beaver” might be worth it?
11 posted on 07/02/2009 10:03:30 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: driftdiver

Since it is a room tax, the state is taxing the use of the space in the privately owned vehicle because it is situated in a certain spot. One could conceive of the state attempting to tax the RV’s living space even as it moves above a state highway. Why not?

Question to ponder: When the state owns everything, what is left to tax?


12 posted on 07/02/2009 10:03:45 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: Beagle8U

For Marj and Janice, possibly.


13 posted on 07/02/2009 10:05:57 AM PDT by kenth
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To: CIB-173RDABN

OK !Campers stay 3 to 4 months in one place which is almost establishing residency. They use the roads, the facilities, Homeowners pay for with their property tax. Why should someone who is a resident for 4 months not pay some sort of property tax.

By the way I hate taxes too, I am just wondering why some people think they should be exempt from helping to pay for roads and other things they use when they are there.

I can understand the casual traveler not wanting to pay this tax, but if you want to live somewhere you have to contribute.


14 posted on 07/02/2009 10:08:57 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: lucky american

You obviously haven’t been in NH this year. There isn’t anything here but rain, rain and more rain. We are still waiting on Summer.......or Spring for that fact.


15 posted on 07/02/2009 10:09:49 AM PDT by animal172 (Disgusted in Tennessee)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I would imagine that if you looked at the history, the room tax went up gradually over the years. Throwing in an unexpected 9% tax is a pretty stiff cost increase to impose all at once.

You can see the thinking involved. Raise the tax on visitors and out-of-staters who make up the large majority of campground users. People always prefer to tax someone else. But it will be interesting to see if it backfires on them. Tourism and out-of-state visitors is a big business in New Hampshire.


16 posted on 07/02/2009 10:10:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

“Friendly Beaver Campground?”

Awwww! I was gonna go there this summer! Guess I’ll go to the “Not So Friendly Beaver Campground” in Vermont instead!


17 posted on 07/02/2009 10:11:27 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I used to own a motorhome. Now we tent in the woods at various places. Much more fun than an RV park. And the only money we spend is no the gas to get there. You can’t tax “free”.

Yet.


18 posted on 07/02/2009 10:13:38 AM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: Venturer

>>Why should someone who is a resident for 4 months not pay some sort of property tax.<<

They do. Just as a person who rents a home pays property taxes. It is rolled into the price.


19 posted on 07/02/2009 10:15:46 AM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

**the increase isn’t huge**

No it’s not “huge” but that doesn’t mean a ton of “small” tax increases doesn’t add up quickly.

Nickel tax here, a dime, there, eventually you’re talking about a lot of cash!

Moron legislators across the country can’t seem to grasp this simple idea.


20 posted on 07/02/2009 10:16:19 AM PDT by Boiling Pots (B. Hussein Obama: The final turd George W. Bush laid on America)
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