Posted on 06/26/2009 1:11:44 PM PDT by Shermy
When EMTs arrived at Michael Jackson's home yesterday, the medics wanted to pronounce him dead on the scene -- but Michael's personal doctor refused to let them "call it" -- this according to sources close to the situation.
When EMTs arrived there was evidence someone had been performing CPR on Michael for "quite some time." There was evidence of Lidocaine -- an old-school drug that can be used to treat disturbances in the heart's rhythm. Medics took over performing CPR but determined Jackson was lifeless -- and wanted to call the coroner to pick up the body.
We're told Jackson was flat-lined when EMTs arrived.
But our sources say M.J.'s doc demanded EMTs continue performing CPR anyway, and demanded that they take Michael to the hospital.
Once they arrived at UCLA, we're told Jackson's doc continued to personally administer CPR -- even though it was clear Jackson was already gone.
------------------ Caller: Yes sir, I need an ambulance as soon as possible, sir.
Dispatcher: OK, sir. Give us your address.
Caller: It’s 100 N. Carolwood Drive, Los Angeles, Calif., 90077
Dispatcher: You said Carolwood?
Caller: Carolwood Drive, yes.
Dispatcher: OK sir, what’s the phone number your calling from? (omitted)
Dispatcher: (inaudible) ... exactly what happened?
Caller: Uh, I have a, we have a gentleman here that needs help and he stopped breathing. He’s not breathing and we need to -- we’re trying to pump him but he’s not...
Dispatcher: OK, OK, how old is he?
Caller: He’s uh, 50 years old, sir.
Dispatcher: 50? OK. He’s unconscious? He’s not breathing?
Caller: Yes, he’s not breathing, sir.
Dispatcher: OK, and he’s not not conscious either?
Caller: He’s not conscious, sir.
Dispatcher: OK, all right. Do you have him, is he on the floor? Where is he at right now?
Caller: He’s on the bed sir, he’s on ...
Dispatcher: OK, let’s get him on the floor.
Caller: OK.
Dispatcher: OK, let’s get him down to the floor. I’m going to help you with CPR right now, OK?
Caller: We need ...
Dispatcher: We’re on our way there. We’re on our way. I’m going to do what I can to help you over the phone. We’re already on our way. Did anybody see him?
Caller: Yes, we have a personal doctor here with him sir.
Dispatcher: Oh, you have a doctor there?
Caller: Yes, but he’s not responding to anything. No, he’s not responding to CPR or anything.
Dispatcher: Oh, OK. Well, we’re on our way there. If your guy’s doing CPR, or instructed by a doctor he’s a higher authority than me and he’s there on scene. Did anybody witness what happened?
Caller: Uh, no, just the doctor sir. The doctor’s been the only one here.
Dispatcher: OK, so did the doctor see what happened?
Caller: Um, doctor did you see what happened? (inaudible) He’s just, um, if you can please ...
Dispatcher: We’re on our way. We’re on our way. I’m just passing these questions onto my, our paramedics. They’re on their way there, sir.
Caller: Thank you. He’s pumping. He’s pumping his chest, but he’s not responding to anything sir, please.
Dispatcher: OK, OK. We’re on our way. We’re less than a mile away. We’ll be there shortly.
Caller: Thank you, sir, thank you.
Dispatcher: OK sir, call us back if you need any help.
I thought this story was newsy and interesting from a variety of perspectives.
For one, note the drug called “old school”.
Also, in the 911 call it is evident the doctor was giving CPR on a bed. I think it widely known one should put the person on a firm surface. Another medical blunder?
The doctor, in the bedroom, with the syringe...
Doctor or Dealer?
Why was his physician there in the first place?
That alone sounds a little odd.
If Jackson was having problems, that physician should have directed the family to call 911.
The odds of getting him back even on a witnessed full arrest is slim without a defribrillater and even then it rare
Very good.
There were confusing stories yesterday from the hospital docs. One, that no CPR was given to Jackson. Maybe they meant improper CPR?
It felt like the hospital doctors were trying to proactively skip blame. I said yesterday they might be doing this out of caution.
Now I really see clearly why—the personal doctor was trying to fashion the death as a hospital event, not an at home event.
Docs BIGTIME toast! Professionally, at least!
One thing for sure, he ain’t feeling no pain no more.
This doctor was living there? I wonder what else he was providing?
Supposedly ol’ man Jackson and a family friend were there, not sure if before or after the shot. no telling how many minutes passed before them noticing he wasn’t responsive or breathing.
And he's not only merely dead,
he's really most sincerely dead.
As another poster had commented - what kind of doctor leaves the victim on the bed while trying to do CPR?
A friend of mine (firefighter) said when they respond to a heart attack type thing they give CPR until the EMT’s arrive - even if they are sure the guy is dead. And the EMTs continue into the aid car.
I said “Oh, I suppose you never know if the guy is really “dead” or not”.
He replied “No - we just don’t want to have the guy’s family be there when we declare him dead.” I’m not sure if that was more for the family’s sake or the for the sake of the rescuers.
Paramedics do not normally "pronounce" a patient as dead. That is the physicians job.
Drug overdose...
Yeh..most likely OD’d related.
That’s certainly possible.
another,
When the dispatcher learns there is a doctor present, he/she acts immediately as if outranked.
If the EMTs wanted to declare him dead, but a medical doctor present does not, perhaps the EMTs are outranked?
Certainly they might get scared that if the doctor refused to declare him dead—and they didn’t deliver him to a hospital...think of the conspiracy theories!
Sounds like the doc waited too long to call EMT because he probably gave him something and it went bad. I am sure his health was pretty bad anyway from drugs, endless plastic surgery, skin bleeching, probably bad diet, etc etc.
The doctor probably gave him something which helped cause dthe heart attack and panicked and failed to call 911 immediately. The girl or assistant to Heath Ledger did the same thing.
Probably because he was the one who gave Michael the lethal injection. Just a guess.
I’m not so sure you’re wrong at all with that.
It will be interesting to see what this physician’s record is.
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