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LIVE THREAD: American Clean Energy & Security Act (Cap and Trade) on CSPAN
CSPAN: HOUSE ^ | 26 JUNE 09 | dcbryan1

Posted on 06/26/2009 9:54:38 AM PDT by DCBryan1

House to continue Energy Bill Debate with Possible Vote Today

Later today, the House will continue general debate on the American Clean Energy & Security Act, Pres. Obama's climate change legislation. The bill centers on a renewable electicity standard, encouraging the use of renewable energy and a cap-and-trade policy.

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To: DCBryan1

Though supporters claim otherwise, this bill will harm scientific innovation by promoting technological mediocrity (because of built-in requirements for enormous amounts of upfront capital expenditures for soon to be embarrassingly obsolete technology that will take a decade or more to reach cost recovery - even with enormous subsidies on one side of the scale, and cap’n’tax on the other).

Before the dinosaur technology comes close to cost recovery, energy generated by next-generation solar and modern nuclear reactor technology will be cheaper than that available even from coal, natural gas, or petroleum - without subsidies, without differential tax rates, without other forms of social engineering. That is the direction we are headed, and the government is going to muck things up before we get there.

The twin engines of genuine progress - science/engineering and the free market - are what solve problems. These people pushing this crap have no interest in the environment or geopolitical concerns. This is about wealth redistribution - nationally and internationally. This is about control of enterprise. This is about paying back special interests. Saddest of all, this is about the few well-meaning paternalists (for whom the above is not applicable) desperate to do something, having been convinced by various deluded busybodies (whose word is accepted as holy writ) that failure to act will result in some profane incarnation of Armageddon.


101 posted on 06/26/2009 11:05:42 AM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: Yankee

TX-R- Kevin Brady——HELL NO!!!!!


102 posted on 06/26/2009 11:05:55 AM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: DCBryan1

I’m embarrassed. Wisconsin’s own Tammy Baldwin just spoke for Cap and Trade. All the normal dem talking points. If we “respond to this challenge” it will result in loss of lives, species destruction, declines in health, blah, blah, blah... Ad nauseum.


103 posted on 06/26/2009 11:06:15 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: pulaskibush; HotLead61
I hate Weiner (D-NY)...speaking now.

Snyder....putz.

105 posted on 06/26/2009 11:08:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

What is the tally? I don’t have C-SPAN.


106 posted on 06/26/2009 11:09:22 AM PDT by conservativeinferno (My SUV is the urban squirrel's worst predator.)
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To: M203M4; jenbean
OMG...this turd (Rep GK Butterfield, D-NC) said...

"this historic vote....to SAVE THE PLANET"....

Domed I tell you! DOMED! If we don't pass this !

107 posted on 06/26/2009 11:10:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: dep
It may be they need a little more time to buy off one or two more people

That's exactly what's going on.

108 posted on 06/26/2009 11:10:43 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: DCBryan1
Malkin just twittered:

Dem Whip Clyburn "We aren't there yet." DEMS DON'T HAVE VOTES BURN PHONE LINES

Also, Harry Reid apparently told MSNBC that he doesn't have the votes in the Senate either.

109 posted on 06/26/2009 11:12:16 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: conservativeinferno

You can listen to this online.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

Just copy and past URL above and put in your web browser.

Warning though, it will make you sick to your stomach!!!


110 posted on 06/26/2009 11:12:47 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: pulaskibush
Wow...Marsha blackburn, R-Memphis, TN is rocking...!

She has more balls and common sense than Vic Snyder...and only an hour or so east of him!

111 posted on 06/26/2009 11:12:48 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1

I called my socialist congressbuttwipe.....told them there, that he has to defeat Cap and Trade, that it is an abomination, just like our president.


112 posted on 06/26/2009 11:13:19 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Heck, the Dems are not buying people off, they are breaking arms to get this passed.
113 posted on 06/26/2009 11:14:02 AM PDT by Tarheel (Zone 7 in the Old North State)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

http://corner.nationalreview.com/

Cap and Trade Being Pulled? [Steve Hayward]

Word flying around D.C. as of 1:30 is that Waxman-Markey is being pulled, suggesting Pelosi doesn’t have the votes. It may be they need a little more time to buy off one or two more people, or possibly they simply can’t get enough committed votes (I am sure more than a few Democrats say they will vote “Yes” as necessary, but have a deal for cover with a “No” vote, which is complicating the whip count). Stay tuned. As Drudge would say, developing . . .

06/26 01:49 PM


114 posted on 06/26/2009 11:15:22 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: The Pack Knight
As I sit here in Houston, I’m watching the Port of Houston’s representative, Gene Green, rising in support of the bill while giving plenty of reasons why this bill will destroy jobs in his own district. Instead of opposing it, he wants to start a trade war which will probably destroy even more jobs. Where do we get these people?

Stupidity is alive and well.

115 posted on 06/26/2009 11:15:56 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: reader25

Attempted to call his office yesterday. Could not get through. Glad to hear is a no vote.


116 posted on 06/26/2009 11:16:08 AM PDT by Bruinator (It's the Media.............Stupid)
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To: DCBryan1

Thats my congresswoman :)


117 posted on 06/26/2009 11:17:00 AM PDT by goldylight
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To: goldylight

You better keep her...she kicks ass.

Bachus on now (R-Alabama)....gawd I love the South.


118 posted on 06/26/2009 11:18:19 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: Wisconsinlady

She cannot afford to go against Peolosi and Obama at this point in her career. NOTHING will come her way in manner of committee appointments and the like if she votes no.

The democrats who vote against this bill will pay. Pelosi and Obama will see to it.


119 posted on 06/26/2009 11:18:36 AM PDT by freemama
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To: Vaquero
Good job!

I'm sitting here at my bloomberg machine (financial computer)

SWHC (Smith and Wesson) and RGR (Ruger) are up after being down..

Bad omen...Methinks that there is going to be another round of ammuntion hoarding to protect our food and families after the Kenyan and his tribal goons destroy our economy and country.

120 posted on 06/26/2009 11:20:27 AM PDT by DCBryan1 ( Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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