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French women may face ban on head-to-toe Islamic dress
The Times (UK) ^ | June 20, 2009 | Charles Bremner

Posted on 06/19/2009 6:14:30 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

France could bar Muslim women from wearing full veils in public, a government minister said yesterday as parliament took action over concerns about an increase in women who are wearing the niqab and burka in big cities.

The latest controversy over dress habits among France’s six million Muslims follows public differences this month between Presidents Obama and Sarkozy over the merits of legislating on religious clothing.

A group of 58 MPs from the Left and Right called on Wednesday for parliament to react to the phenomenon of women who are adopting what they called oppressive head-to-toe Islamic dress that “breaches individual freedoms”.

Luc Chatel, the Industry Minister and government spokesman, supported the MPs. “If it were determined that wearing the burka is a submissive act, and that it is contrary to republican principles, naturally parliament would have to draw the necessary conclusions,” he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchmuslims; hajib; muslimwomen
I'll don the flame suit on this one and say that this is wrong. To my mind the state has no business telling individuals what clothes they may generally wear, if involved with government affairs the government may intervene, or private organisations may decide dress codes but generally speaking people should not have their dress codes subject to an ideological test by the state.

If you concede that principle you're going down a very slippery slope indeed.

1 posted on 06/19/2009 6:14:30 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I doubt it will happen, youts will riot.


2 posted on 06/19/2009 6:16:38 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: kalee

Yes, let the rioting begin. ;-)


3 posted on 06/19/2009 6:17:58 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Make them wear hotpants and mini skirts only. This is France. If you can legally regulate how people talk, you can tell them what to wear.

My suspicion is that if they told women they had to wear hotpants and miniskirts, the Muslim problem in France would quickly subside. They’d move to Germany.


4 posted on 06/19/2009 6:18:07 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: PotatoHeadMick
I'll don the flame suit on this one and say that this is wrong. To my mind the state has no business telling individuals what clothes they may generally wear, if involved with government affairs the government may intervene, or private organisations may decide dress codes but generally speaking people should not have their dress codes subject to an ideological test by the state.

I agree 100%.

5 posted on 06/19/2009 6:19:34 PM PDT by exist
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Walking around like looking like spooks is not productive.


6 posted on 06/19/2009 6:20:04 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: PotatoHeadMick

There is a difference between a “dress code” and someone walking around in a wierdball outfit with only their eyes showing. Far as I know many cities and states have prohibitions on the wearing of a “mask”.. If a “Burqua” is not a mask I don’t know what is.


7 posted on 06/19/2009 6:30:19 PM PDT by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I agree, it isn’t right, but people in France don’t necessarily have the same rights that the people in the United States have, and the majority of French may be just fine with this.


8 posted on 06/19/2009 6:38:38 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: flash2368

Agreed...it’s a practical security issue that unfortunately will raise the ire of the usual troublemakers.


9 posted on 06/19/2009 6:41:15 PM PDT by Third Person (0bama is a Little Lebowski Urban Achiever)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

France stopped the moslems before and saved Europe. They didn’t do it with laws and liberty talk. The moslems are breaking all the rules, time to level the playing field

I say pass a law outlawing the koran too.

islam is a terrorist organization


10 posted on 06/19/2009 6:43:07 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: kalee
If you concede that principle you're going down a very slippery slope indeed

Everywhere I see people wearing masks I see trouble and people who are up to no good. Ban masks. If they don;t want their faces seen, let them stay in their houses.

11 posted on 06/19/2009 6:43:41 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: mountainbunny

They’ll be just fine with it until some burka-wearing terrorist blows themselves up in a crowd.


12 posted on 06/19/2009 6:45:08 PM PDT by Third Person (0bama is a Little Lebowski Urban Achiever)
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To: mountainbunny

Oops...sorry mountainbunny. I misunderstood your post.


13 posted on 06/19/2009 6:50:19 PM PDT by Third Person (0bama is a Little Lebowski Urban Achiever)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Exactly, masked man!


14 posted on 06/19/2009 6:52:13 PM PDT by Third Person (0bama is a Little Lebowski Urban Achiever)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
After Obama releases the raging perps at Gitmo, I would be very nervous to see this figure strolling down the main arcade of a crowded big-city mall.

To much cover for high explosives.


16 posted on 06/19/2009 7:02:24 PM PDT by henbane
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absolutely...
17 posted on 06/19/2009 7:06:37 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

So who gets to decide what constitutes a burka? Are nuns going to be forbidden to wear their veils, too? Are wedding veils going to be outlawed? If a french woman were to walk outside with a blanket wrapped around her, would she be arrested?


18 posted on 06/19/2009 7:33:27 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
France could bar Muslim women from wearing full veils in public, a government minister said yesterday as parliament took action over concerns about an increase in women who are wearing the niqab and burka in big cities.

So tell me, how do you know if someone covered up completely is a woman? We have seen how some of the cowardly terrorists have dressed this way to escape detection. Are the women who chose to dress this way ready to be frisked to determine that they really are women? If not, who should they be mad at? Those wanting to secure the safety of others or those that pose as women to carry out terrorist's attacks? If they wish to be this submissive, then they should also let their male counterpoints do all public commerce. How is this different from someone walking into a bank with a ski-mask on? True, they just may be a nut, but more often than not, they are a bank robber.

19 posted on 06/19/2009 7:36:59 PM PDT by DejaJude
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This is a hard one. When I was a teenager my parents lived in Afghanistan. I would visit them and found it extremely uncomfortable to be around the women that wore them in the bazaar.

You never knew if they were coming or going because they
wore a Chadri which is like a Burqa but covers the entire body with a little screen that they look through.

They didn’t seem to care if you saw their backside. They would just squat by the side of the road hike up the Chadri and moon the passerbys as they went to the bathroom - but their eyes were covered.

I still have a chadri that I brought home after a visit.
I have two adopted afghan brothers that live in the US, they wouldn’t let their wives wear them much less force them to wear them.

Instead of banning the Burqa, just write a law that states that anyone wearing a Burqa can be stopped and given a full body search at anytime for any reason, that will keep the terrorists that hide inside their wife’s skirts from becoming a security risk.


20 posted on 06/19/2009 8:07:32 PM PDT by ODDITHER (HAT)
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