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Fighters eyed for ballistic missile defense
Strategy Page ^ | 06/19/2009 | By Sam LaGrone

Posted on 06/19/2009 2:14:51 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Air Force wants to look at arming fighter jets to shoot down ballistic missiles, according to a letter from Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz to the head of the Defense Department's Missile Defense Agency.

The June 2 letter from Schwartz, addressed to the MDA director, Army Lt. Gen. Patrick O'Reilly, called for a study of arming F-15s and F-16s, and possibly F-22s and F-35s, with specialized munitions under a concept dubbed Air Launched Hit-to-Kill.

Schwartz said a 2008 war game, based in the European theater in 2020, piqued the interest of the Air Force to study the ALHK concept.

This examination indicated several ALHK approaches may be operationally suitable for employment from Air Force fighters, Schwartz wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at strategypage.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alhk; f15; f16; f22; f35; f35s; military; missiledefense
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1 posted on 06/19/2009 2:14:51 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove
Hmm, conceptual stage.

Does this make it an "unproven weapons system"?

2 posted on 06/19/2009 2:19:33 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Barak Obama: Pontificator in Chief and Poster Child for the Peter Principle)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The F-15 was used as a test platform for launching antisatellite weapons some years ago.


3 posted on 06/19/2009 2:24:01 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: sonofstrangelove

This sounds like a really good idea. We could shoot the idiot’s missles right after launch. As Patton said, fixed fortifications are a monument to man’s stupidity. I know we have them on ships now but air deployment would be the ultimate.


4 posted on 06/19/2009 2:24:58 AM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

“I know we have them on ships now but air deployment would be the ultimate.”

As long as you know when they are going to launch their missles. Either that or you have one of these aircraft up in the air and armed 24x7.


5 posted on 06/19/2009 2:27:28 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: piasa
Successfully?
6 posted on 06/19/2009 2:28:26 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Barak Obama: Pontificator in Chief and Poster Child for the Peter Principle)
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To: driftdiver
As long as you know when they are going to launch their missles. Either that or you have one of these aircraft up in the air and armed 24x7.

Good point. I was thinking about SAC type operations between Korea and Japan, without the gas guzzling B-52s.
7 posted on 06/19/2009 2:30:44 AM PDT by microgood
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To: piasa
The F-15 was used as a test platform for launching antisatellite weapons some years ago.

I was at AVCO at the time and worked on the ground telemetry station hardware for the target vehicle. It carried a doppler only radar on board. The idea was that you could determine the miss distance by analysis of doppler history. It was considered highly unlikely that you would actually hit the satellite itself on the first couple of tries, at least.

First test, the missile centered punched the satellite, no need for any telemetry and no possiblity of any future telemetry. The Russians were so shaken up that President Carter and the Democratic Congress shut the program down.

8 posted on 06/19/2009 2:37:37 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Thank you for the information. The article makes it seem like this has never been done before and all I remember is Obie's promise to cancel “unproven weapons systems”.
9 posted on 06/19/2009 2:41:08 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Barak Obama: Pontificator in Chief and Poster Child for the Peter Principle)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The political agitprop of the era was that antisat was actually forbidden ABM. (Well, duh!) On top which concerns about the debris profliferation was being voiced. I believe that the actual mission was low enough so that the ensuing debris deorbited pretty quickly.

When the U.S. shot down that failing satellite last year, all the debris deorbited in about two months. When the Chinese shot down their failed satellite at much higher altitude, they increased the amount of space debris by about 40% and some of it will not deorbit for hundreds of years.


10 posted on 06/19/2009 2:50:50 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The Russians were so shaken up that President Carter and the Democratic Congress shut the program down.

Aw, hell, can't have the Soviets upset!

Jimmuh and the 'Rats -- someone ought to write a song about them -- morally cocksure, above-it-all, post-Watergate pr*cks most of them -- "Class of '74".

Bunch of MOW-rons! Gave away the Panama Canal (the Chinese run the ports at either end now), groveled for the mullahs, defense policy that couldn't whip my sister.

11 posted on 06/19/2009 3:52:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: sonofstrangelove

I find it incredible that nobody has suggested that we take it out on the launch pad.
It is a threat. It can be launched at any time. It needs to be blown up.


12 posted on 06/19/2009 4:09:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama = Trickle up poverty)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Aren't there treaties against this sort of anti missile defense? I thought that airborne anti missile systems were cut in the 80’s.

That and unless they are on a 24 hour airborne alert, they won't be able to get in the air and target quick enough.

13 posted on 06/19/2009 4:18:13 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Jimmuh and the ‘Rats -”

I guess for Friday funnies we can make up a song. I propose to the tune of Bennie and the Jets..

Ji Ji Ji Jimmuh and the Rats..


14 posted on 06/19/2009 4:57:27 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Climate change alarmists are Warm-Mongers. Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Catching them in the boost phase may be feasible for North Korea, where we seem to have weeks of warning before each launch. But for a suprise attack or an accidental launch, it’s not likely we’ll have a platform that just happens to be in the area. Seems like a waste of money to develop anything specific to the boost phase. Of course, if the same weapon that intercepts the terminal phase just happens to be usable in the boost phase, well then that’s great. Let the pieces fall on the other guy’s property.


15 posted on 06/19/2009 5:54:54 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Yes ... the ASAT test hit and destroyed its target ... and pissed off the Soviet communists as well as the democRat Party communists.


16 posted on 06/19/2009 5:56:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
The Air Force wants to look at arming fighter jets to shoot down ballistic missiles, according to a letter from Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz to the head of the Defense Department's Missile Defense Agency. The June 2 letter from Schwartz, addressed to the MDA director, Army Lt. Gen. Patrick O'Reilly, called for a study of arming F-15s and F-16s, and possibly F-22s and F-35s, with specialized munitions under a concept dubbed Air Launched Hit-to-Kill.

17 posted on 06/19/2009 4:21:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: microgood

I agree


18 posted on 06/19/2009 7:13:53 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten"-Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: redgolum

We withdrew the ABM treaty. Anyways, the Russians were always cheating from day one.


19 posted on 06/19/2009 7:16:45 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten"-Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: piasa

With the experimental ASAT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT


20 posted on 06/23/2009 7:31:43 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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