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How to Crush Debate - Start with a lie, add a little slander, stir with incitement to violence.
National Review Online ^ | June 18, 2009 | Clifford D. May

Posted on 06/18/2009 9:30:32 PM PDT by neverdem








How to Crush Debate
Start with a lie, add a little slander, stir with incitement to violence.

By Clifford D. May

Following the deadly shootings of a Kansas abortion doctor and a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, two prominent New York Times columnists, Paul Krugman and Frank Rich, spoke out forcefully against those in the media who spout lies and, possibly, incite violence.

There are “lunatics” out there, Krugman wrote, and “media organizations wind up such people at their, and our, peril.” Rich warned of “toxic rhetoric” and “media demagogues,” fueling a rage that “could spiral out of control.”

So imagine my shock to see
on the new Times website an item saying: “Cliff May argued that torture is justified against Muslims because they’re Muslim.”

What does that even mean? That I think innocent Muslims should have their fingernails pulled out? There was not a quote or fact to back up this inflammatory allegation against me. There were no links to articles I’ve written or television and radio shows on which I’ve appeared. Why would the Times attribute to me such an outrageous opinion — without even attempting to verify it? Why would they not at least call me and ask whether I’d care to deny the charge?

To be fair, this was in a Times feature called “The Opinionator: A Gathering of Opinion From Around the Web,” and this particular opinion had been gathered from Adam Serwer, writing in The American Prospect, which describes itself as “an authoritative magazine of liberal ideas.”

But to continue to be fair, the Times is the Times. Years ago, when I worked at the Times — as a reporter, Washington correspondent, foreign correspondent, and editor — it was understood by everyone from the lowliest interns to the loftiest editors that a serious newspaper cannot relinquish responsibility for what it puts into print simply by saying: “Whoops, sorry, we lifted that from another publication.”

I immediately wrote a note to the Times’s ombudsman. He has not, so far, bothered to reply.
Adam Serwer’s piece, on The American Prospect’s blog, intended to take up the same theme as had Krugman and Rich. He started off by asserting that there has been a “startling trend of right-wing violence recently,” but that such incidents are generally regarded as “the acts of deranged individuals rather than of groups because they are white men.” This somehow leads to the description of my views noted above. His piece concluded with the question: “How much of the call for ‘extraordinary measures’ in fighting terrorism has to do with the unique challenges of fighting global terrorism, and how much of it has to do with an irrational, orientalist fear of all things Arab and Muslim?


In the considered opinion of The American Prospect, that would be me: irrational, orientialist, and fearful of all things Arab and Muslim.

I wrote a note to Mark Schmitt,
The American Prospect’s executive editor, pointing out that I have never said anything that could remotely justify the views ascribed to me. I added that I have worked closely with Muslims — not least those in my own organization (a think tank focusing on terrorism) since it was created almost eight years ago, just after the attacks of 9/11. Coincidently, I had spent the past few days hosting a conference attended by at least half a dozen Muslims including ambassadors from two Muslim-majority countries. And years ago, as a journalist, I reported from many Muslim-majority countries. (I did not say that some of my best friends are Muslim.) Why, I asked Schmitt, “would your magazine print something like this about me?” I asked, too: “Are you oblivious to the possibility that telling such a lie will incite some crazy to attack me or my family?”

He replied: “We (and the Times) should have provided a link, but of course you know it was a reference to your much-discussed written comments on The Corner of April 24.”

I did not, but I looked up that post on The Corner and found that I had explicitly written that I oppose torture. I had thought to add, however, that I understood there would be those who will label as “pro-torture” anyone who dares argue that there “may be methods of interrogation that are unpleasant but fall short of torture.”


I went on to quote Abu Zubaydah, the captured al-Qaeda terrorist who, according to the CIA memos released by the Obama administration, told his interrogators: “Brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardships.”

This struck me as an important and potentially life-saving insight into the thinking of militant Islamists. “Imagine an al-Qaeda member who would like to give his interrogators information, who does not want to continue fighting, who would prefer not to see more innocent people slaughtered,” I wrote. “He would need his interrogators to press him hard so he can feel that he has met his religious obligations — only then could he cooperate.


Schmitt insisted that what I had written was clearly “referring to interrogation techniques that are widely agreed to be torture,” and therefore, the magazine’s “characterization of your comments is entirely appropriate.”

What’s more, he said it was obvious that I was suggesting “there is a particular need to use extreme measures on Muslims/Islamists because of the nature of their religious beliefs, that is, for being Muslims.”

I asked him if he genuinely failed to understand the difference between Muslims and Islamists, between — for example — a Kurdish businessman and al-Qaeda member with knowledge of plots targeting civilians, or between an Indonesian farmer and a leader of Hezbollah or Hamas. I know there are people on the far right who do not make such distinctions (I sometimes receive angry letters from them) but for The American Prospect’s executive editor to hold this view struck me as astounding.

The reality, of course, is that Schmitt is not so ignorant. He simply endorses slander against people like me, people who have the temerity to dissent from the orthodoxy he advocates.

In this case, however, his magazine went beyond misrepresentation to encouraging violence — because anyone who actually does advocate torturing “Muslims because they’re Muslim” should be prepared for a dose of his own medicine.

This is more than an assault on me. It’s more than an assault on civil debate. It is an attempt to crush debate, to de-legitimize unwelcome arguments, and to demonize those who make them. This is a way to say: Shut up or someone will shut you up.

This is the kind of irresponsible and thuggish use of media power that Krugman and Rich claim to decry. We have seen it many times before in many places around the world. But who would ever have expected to see it in the New York Times and The American Prospect, that “authoritative magazine of liberal ideas”?


Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is the president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

© Scripps Howard News Service



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adamserwer; clifforddmay; frankrich; newyorktimes; paulkrugman; theamericanprospect

1 posted on 06/18/2009 9:30:32 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It doesn’t have to be accurate or truthful, it only requires ‘truthiness’ (it COULD be true and probably is true, so we’ll report it as true). This goes far back of course, but it came to national prominence with the Dan Rather national guard memo incident (remember, in the final analysis it was deemed that it very well ‘could be true’).


2 posted on 06/18/2009 11:12:18 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne; All
It doesn’t have to be accurate or truthful, it only requires ‘truthiness’ (it COULD be true and probably is true, so we’ll report it as true). This goes far back of course, but it came to national prominence with the Dan Rather national guard memo incident (remember, in the final analysis it was deemed that it very well ‘could be true’).

-60 Minutes to Infamy- those forged memos and The Shot Heard Round the World--

3 posted on 06/19/2009 1:16:55 AM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: neverdem
Of course the propaganda the NYSlimes prints could never "incite to violence." /sarc

Μολὼν λάβε


4 posted on 06/19/2009 3:07:50 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: neverdem

From the title, I thought this to be yet another MORMON thread on FR...


5 posted on 06/19/2009 4:23:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Lorianne

The MSM is now “reporting” the items they (the MSM) are “feeling” and “thinking about” and what they WANT to happen, not what has actually happened.

The heart-felt goal of “journalists” when they enter their colleges - as many of them have cheerfully admitted (still admit!) - is “influence” events and “improve the world” - NOT to report the facts.


6 posted on 06/19/2009 5:19:19 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Elsie
From the title, I thought this to be yet another MORMON thread on FR...

Only if you decide to make it one.

I hope you do not. The author has something important to say about the slandering of political opponents by the press. You might want to read the article and comment on it.

7 posted on 06/19/2009 5:50:41 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: Lorianne
‘truthiness’

Excellent. This is the goal of government schools. To make the otherwise unbelievable, believable. You must be trained to think as a leftist.

No one would come to those conclusions through logic or observation of the real world.

8 posted on 06/19/2009 5:55:06 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Logophile
 
 The author has something important to say about the slandering of political opponents by the press.
 
Indeed! or ANY opponent ALLUDING to problems with others.


 
 

What The Heck Is The Alinsky Method?
Being Used To Destroy Our Freedoms

Albert V. Burns

The education establishment in this country, at all levels, continually decries the absence of parental involvement in the everyday process of educating the young people of this country. We are asked to volunteer time to ease the burdens on the teachers. We are NOT expected to assume that we will have any input into decisions effecting what they will be taught or how the teaching process is to be done.

In the book, "Educating For The New World Order," the author, Bev Eakman points out repeatedly the necessity of the educationists to preserve the ILLUSION that there is: "Lay, or community, participation in the decision making process, while in fact lay citizens are being squeezed out."

It is interesting, and EXTREMELY important to Americans, both as parents and as citizens, to clearly understand just HOW the "squeezing out" process takes place. It is a well defined, if not well perceived, process known as the "Alinsky Method" (which was derived from a procedure named as "The Delphi Technique.") This method of manipulating people is based on the fact that people in groups tend to share a common knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics known as "group dynamics."

In this process, one or more people known as "Change Agents" or "Facilitators" appear to be acting as organizers, "allowing" each person in the group to express their concerns about some program or policy under consideration. While this process is going on, people are urged to make lists or form into task forces. The Facilitator carefully notes which members of the group are leaders, which are "loud mouths" and which may be easily swayed to different viewpoints.

At a certain point, the previously friendly Change Agent begins to act as "devil’s advocate," becoming an agitator. The process involves playing one part of the group against another, the "divide and conquer" technique. Anyone who is not clearly in accord with the Facilitator’s agenda is made to appear ridiculous, inarticulate, ignorant or dogmatic. The idea is to make these members of the group angry thus escalating tensions. The end object being to shut opposition voices out of the group.

The "targets" of such manipulation rarely, if ever, realize how they are being manipulated. If they do suspect, they generally have no idea how to defeat the process.

This method is being used at all levels of government to force meetings toward PRESET conclusions.

 

There are three steps to defeating this process. They are simple to learn, if not always easy to put into practice since the Facilitators are well trained in agitation techniques.

Rule No. 1: Always be charming, pleasant and courteous. SMILE! Speak in a normal voice to avoid seeming to be belligerent or aggressive.

Rule No. 2 is to STAY FOCUSED! Write your question or statement down in advance to help you stay on track. These Change Agents are trained to twist the conversation around to make the questioner appear foolish or belligerent or aggressive. The idea being to put the questioner on the defensive. Be careful! As mentioned in Rule 1, always be charming, pleasant and courteous (if it kills you to do so!) Often an attempt will be made to change the subject, digress or distort your intent. Always bring them back to the question you asked! If they distort your question into what amounts to an accusation of them, simply state clearly and precisely: "That is NOT what I stated. What I asked was..."(here repeat your original question.) Do not be distracted or angered by their efforts to make you look bad.

Rule No. 3: BE PERSISTENT! When the Facilitator realizes that putting you on the defensive is not going to work, quite often he, or she, will go into some long drawn out discussion of some unrelated or only vaguely related subject. Such a discussion may drag on for a number of minutes. The intent being to have the crowd become bored and forget what the original question was. Let them run on, then very calmly, quietly but with determination drag them back to the subject by saying: "But you didn’t answer my question! My question was..."(again repeat your question.)

Never, NEVER allow yourself to become angry. Anger directed toward the Change Agent makes him or her the victim. Their object is to become liked by the crowd, to be seen as a friend by a majority of those present to convince that majority the ideas of the Facilitator are correct and acceptable.

With the increasing demand for education reform, increasing agitation among the public and more and more grassroots research exposing the defects in our current government indoctrination centers, also known as public schools, more and more people are being exposed to this Alinsky method of maneuvering public meetings toward preset goals. Somehow, people walk out of public meetings wondering just what happened - how were their ideas and objections so neatly derailed. This consistent pattern of manipulation of public meetings is causing concern about the corruption of the very process of government established by our Founding Fathers.

Next week we will examine some of the finer points of the Delphi Technique, how and why it was originally developed and how it is being used to destroy our freedoms.

Albert V. Burns writes from Utah and is a regular columnist for the Spanish Fork Press. He has an extensive knowledge of the conspiracy which has been working so hard to destroy this nation and incorporate it into a one world government. He has developed an extensive personal research library and the knowledge to find what he needs, to write his columns. He is a regular columnist for Ether Zone.
Albert V. Burns can be reached at: avburns@mindspring.com

 

9 posted on 06/19/2009 7:33:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: neverdem
This is more than an assault on me. It’s more than an assault on civil debate. It is an attempt to crush debate, to de-legitimize unwelcome arguments, and to demonize those who make them. This is a way to say: Shut up or someone will shut you up.

It's called liberal fascism.

10 posted on 06/19/2009 11:27:26 AM PDT by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks neverdem.


11 posted on 06/21/2009 6:58:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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