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Scientist debate theory of fixing global warming by filling atmosphere with "areosols"
NPR ^ | 6/16/09 | Richard Harris

Posted on 06/18/2009 9:24:45 AM PDT by bintenn

Engineering our climate to stop global warming may seem like science fiction, but at a recent National Academy of Sciences meeting, scientists discussed some potential geoengineering experiments in earnest.

Climate researcher Ken Caldeira was skeptical when he first heard about the idea of shading the Earth a decade ago in a talk by nuclear weapons scientist Lowell Wood.

"He basically said, 'We don't have to bother with emissions reduction. We can just throw aerosols — little dust particles — into the stratosphere, and that'll cool the earth.' And I thought, 'Oh, that'll never work,' " Caldeira said.

But when Caldeira sat down to study this, he was surprised to discover that, yes, it would work, and for the very same reasons that big volcanoes cool the Earth when they erupt. Fine particles in the stratosphere reflect sunlight back into space. And doing it would be cheap, to boot.

Caldeira conducts research on climate and carbon cycles at the Carnegie Institution at Stanford University. During the past decade, he said, talk about this idea has moved from cocktail parties to very sober meetings, like the workshop this week put on by the National Academy of Sciences.

"Frankly, I'm a little ambivalent about all this," he said during a break in the meeting. "I've been pushing very hard for a research program, but it's a little scary to me as it becomes more of a reality that we might be able to toy with our environment, or our whole climate system at a planetary scale."

Attempting to geoengineer a climate fix raises many questions, like when you would even consider trying it. Caldeira argued that we should have the technology at the ready if there's a climate crisis, such as collapsing ice sheets or drought-induced famine. At the academy's meeting, Harvard University's Dan Schrag agreed with that — up to a point.

"I think we should consider climate engineering only as an emergency response to a climate crisis, but I question whether we're already experiencing a climate crisis — whether we've already crossed that threshold," Schrag said.

In reality, carbon-dioxide emissions globally are on a runaway pace, despite rhetoric promising to control them. University of Calgary's David Keith suggested that we should consider moving toward experiments that would test ideas on a global scale — and do it sooner rather than later.

"It's not clear that during some supposed climate emergency would be the right time to try this new and unexplored technique," Keith said.

And experiments could create disasters. Alan Robock of Rutgers University cataloged a long list of risks. Particles in the stratosphere that block sunlight could also damage the ozone layer, which protects us from harsh ultraviolet light. Or altering the stratosphere could reduce precipitation in Asia, where it waters the crops that feed 2 billion people.

Imagine if we triggered a drought and famine while trying to cool the planet, Robock said. On the plus side, it's also possible that diffusing sunlight could end up boosting agriculture, he said.

"We need to evaluate all these different, contrasting impacts to see whether it really would have an effect on food or not," he said. "Maybe it's a small effect. We really don't know that yet. We need more research on that."

Thought experiments to date have focused primarily on the risks of putting sulfur dust in the stratosphere. There are many other geoengineering ideas — like making clouds brighter by spraying seawater particles into the air. But none of them is simple.

"I don't think there is a quick and easy answer to employing even one of those quick and cheap and easy solutions," said social scientist Susanne Moser.

There's no mechanism in place to reach a global consensus about doing this — and a consensus seems unlikely in any event. Who gets to decide where to set the global thermostat? And will this simply become an excuse not to control our emissions to begin with? These were all questions without answers at the academy's meeting.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: agw; climate; fix; global; globalwanking; warming
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Highlander part 2 I believe?
1 posted on 06/18/2009 9:24:45 AM PDT by bintenn
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Egg heads NEVER LEARN. Ugh.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 9:26:31 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: bintenn

“Global warming”? Didn’t they get the message? It’s Climate Change, or Climate Chaos. Can’t be Global Warming anymore, at least for now, since the earth has been cooling for the last ten-plus years.


3 posted on 06/18/2009 9:28:52 AM PDT by Tublecane
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Hey...here's a solution to global warming.....
If AlBore and these enviro-nitwits can shut their pieholes for at least 30 seconds,we can reduce the hot-air factor by 1000%.
Unfortunately,that's not an option,so I guess we'll all fry.
4 posted on 06/18/2009 9:29:06 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (For the sake of our Republic....RAISE HOLY HELL!)
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To: bintenn
You know, this would be funny.

Downright hilarious.

If they weren't screwing with MY air.

5 posted on 06/18/2009 9:29:31 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: American_Centurion

They should think about a plan to jump start the sunspots-we’ve got global cooling not warming.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 9:29:45 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: bintenn

...I suggest Carbon particles be used. (Just to screw with people’s minds.)


7 posted on 06/18/2009 9:30:12 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: bintenn; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



8 posted on 06/18/2009 9:30:39 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Wait, didn’t we already stop putting aerosols into the atmosphere?


9 posted on 06/18/2009 9:31:07 AM PDT by green pastures
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they won’t be happy until the end mankind....never fool with mother nature...she knows what she is doing after all she is alot older than us and the earth is still here....


10 posted on 06/18/2009 9:31:10 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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filling atmosphere with "areosols"

Filling the atmosphere with ARSEHOLES is what's given us this problem in the first place!!
11 posted on 06/18/2009 9:31:15 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (For the sake of our Republic....RAISE HOLY HELL!)
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Can’t we just open the ozone hole back up and let all that evil CO2 out????


12 posted on 06/18/2009 9:31:35 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Tublecane
Can’t be Global Warming anymore, at least for now, since the earth has been cooling for the last ten-plus years.

Those Gore/eco alarmist don't need no stinkin facts...

13 posted on 06/18/2009 9:31:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (...those who make non-violent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.- JFK (Iran))
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If they really wanted to experiment they could use two convenient planet sized labs, Mars and Venus........rather than screw, with the only eco system we have at the moment.


14 posted on 06/18/2009 9:34:56 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: bintenn

Do not mess with mother nature.


15 posted on 06/18/2009 9:35:19 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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It’s been done - by Mother Nature, of course.

When Mt Tambora in Indonesia erupted in 1815, it resulted in “The Year Without a Summer,” 1816. Snowstorms in June killed people in the northern U.S. and ruined crops. Ice on lakes and rivers was observed in July and August as far south as Pennsylvania.

Yep, we can add dust to the air...


16 posted on 06/18/2009 9:36:02 AM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: bintenn

Arrogant fools.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 9:38:20 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

>> Filling the atmosphere with ARSEHOLES is what’s given us this problem in the first place!!

ROFLMAO


18 posted on 06/18/2009 9:39:09 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: bintenn

WOW what a great idea, i mean what could possibly go wrong!!


19 posted on 06/18/2009 9:40:29 AM PDT by Irishguy
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Vee don’t haf to bahzer mit emissionz reduction. Vee cahn just trow aerozols –little dusht pahticles – into za shtratoshphere, und zat vill cool za eart, mein Fuehrer!

20 posted on 06/18/2009 9:41:23 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." --Orwell)
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