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How Close is Too Close For Offshore Drilling?
WOKV ^ | June 11th | Jared Halpern

Posted on 06/18/2009 3:46:57 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Congress is debating a bill that would open up oil and natural gas platforms just ten miles from portions of Florida's Gulf and Atlantic coasts. It's putting pressure on state lawmakers to decide how close is too close to search for new energy sources.

As it stands, oil and natural gas exploration is limited to dozens of miles away from Florida's beaches and some in the state worry that allowing access just ten miles away, in Federal waters, puts Florida at risk environmentally without any of the financial windfalls.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: drillheredrillnow; drilling; energy; gasprices; offshoredrilling; oil; seeatsea; vision
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To: TexasCajun

—————I somehow missed the major networks reporting all the environmental disasters from hurricanes Katrina and Ike.—————

That’s because there were no major spills.

There were indeed minor ones though. Here, take a look:

http://skytruth.mediatools.org/taxonomy/term/432

I actually look forward to using this link for one simple reason:

The ocean eats oil. The corrosive nature of salt water is no secret, even amongst people who aren’t fishermen or even those who have lived years by oceans. It’s just common knowledge.

Go ahead, look at the pics. None of that stuff reached the shores. The gulf took care of it.

Have you ever noticed that you never see modern pics of prince william sound in the media? That’s because all traces of the spill have been eliminated by nature herself.

Wherever there is oil under the seafloor, there are natural seepages. So if you live in an area where the beaches are very nice but is also a state(such as florida) where they talk often about offshore drilling, all it simply means is that the seeps are slow enough for the ocean itself to manage.


21 posted on 06/18/2009 4:50:50 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: knarf

PS .. I should have added they are on a farm of about 73 acres


22 posted on 06/18/2009 4:50:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

For now there isn’t. But the economy will recover eventually.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 4:51:22 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
This would be fantastic. Fishermen would only have to go 11.7 miles out to troll for, sailfish, marlin, barracuda, etc. etc. Fish love oil platforms!
24 posted on 06/18/2009 4:52:41 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Extremely interesting ... thank you.


25 posted on 06/18/2009 4:54:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
"For now there isn’t. But the economy will recover eventually."

And I'll be at the beach gawking at all those nubile, young (l)asses ... or home with MY wife.

Oil rig?

WHAT oil rig .... gimmee 'nother beer.

26 posted on 06/18/2009 4:56:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
How many power transmission lines get put up in areas that are completely visible for all to see. One after the other marching across the horizon.
One rig today can push 50 wells so the rig count can be so minimal that fishermen will complain there are not enough!

Drill baby drill!

27 posted on 06/18/2009 5:01:12 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - MARSOC DAD)
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To: Ditter
--------Fish love oil platforms!-----------

They do. If you wish to see videos and pics you can go here.

28 posted on 06/18/2009 5:03:57 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Recon Dad

-————How many power transmission lines get put up in areas that are completely visible for all to see. One after the other marching across the horizon.—————

The media hasn’t fearmongered about transmission lines spilling copper all over the place for the last 30 years.

Have they?

There’s no stigma attached to that. Yet.

They’re trying. But without their monopoly, I don’t expect much mileage.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 5:05:51 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: knarf

I’d even be willing to allow them to put two rigs on my property, like in Texas, for example.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 5:30:53 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

re: put tourism dollars at risk when you don’t have to.

I can think of few things that would put tourism dollars at risk more surely than an oil embargo or some other serious interruption to the oil flow. In Florida’s case it would not only disrupt tourism to our beaches, but also to every other tourist attraction in our state. Oil rigs, OTOH, even in full view of the beach goers would affect only that section of beach. A spill, God forbid, would have the same effect, although much more devastating.

Sadly, we could do a lot to ease our energy problems by using more nuclear energy. I suggest a trade, no oil rigs along the coast in return for new nuclear power sources. I’m tired of environmentalists being able to have it both ways. It’s time they give up something!


31 posted on 06/18/2009 5:32:10 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: knarf

You must not have tried to visit Disney World or Sea World in Florida lately.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 5:33:27 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: knarf
This is not so far fetched ... the gas/oil drillers here in SW Penn. have given my daughter and son-in-law just such a deal and there is no acrual promise it will ever be done...

Thanks to the Supreme Court's Kelo decision and Obambi's fascism, the oil company will be the government and they will simply take your land for pennies on the dollar (kind of like they did to the Chrysler bondholders). Many will be happy that the "civilian security force" (alias: SS, Panthers, or ACORN) didn't kill them in the process.

33 posted on 06/18/2009 5:36:14 AM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The media hasn’t fearmongered about transmission lines spilling copper all over the place for the last 30 years.

Well, there was the big EMF media-induced panic of the 1980's and 1990's. Anything to support NIMBY-ism, I guess.

It's still a major, major undertaking to site and build a power transmission line. Go to one of the public meetings when a utility proposes building one, and see all the interesting commentary. People want the electricity, but they don't want the infrastructure that provides it.

34 posted on 06/18/2009 5:40:32 AM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
The equation is this: Visible distance (nautical miles) = 1.17 × Square root of the height (feet)

That equation only applies to absolutely clear atmosphere. At Panama City, FL. a Navy platform (looked just like a rig) 3 miles offshore was barely visible from shore during normal weather (sea haze & humidity) but could be seen easily in the fall with low humidity. Another, larger, platform 12 miles out became visible on very rare occasions such as in fall or winter following passage of a cold front.

During tourist season, humidities are high and the onshore sea-breeze keeps haze levels high and visibilities down to about 6 or 7 miles.

I have operated sea going vessels in and out of there since the 1960's and coming in from offshore we start seeing the condos at about that distance and they are taller than most rigs. Some hazy summer days it shrinks to just 3 miles or so.

35 posted on 06/18/2009 5:45:31 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: knarf
No one is touring ... there is no tourism as it once was .... no one can afford it.

In many ways, it would be nice if this were true, but it's simply not. Traffic stinks where I like to go, people are touring!

36 posted on 06/18/2009 5:45:54 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Charles Martel
You have to run that equation from both the oil platform end (as you did) and from the viewer’s end, then add the two distances together to get the true horizon distance for that situation. In this case, the viewer’s position would be 1.17 x the Square root of the height of the highest condo or hotel room balcony facing the Gulf (just wait and see...). Figure that if both ends are 100 feet, the horizon distance just doubled to 23 miles.

You didn't factor in visibility effects of the persistent haze along the Florida coast. I have operated sea-going vessels in and out of Florida ports since the 1960's. A handful of times during crystal clear weather when a cold front has brought in clear air with low humidities, we could see condos at twelve miles (verified by radar)....most of the time during tourist season we're lucky to penetrate 5 or 6 miles to see something as large as a condo.

37 posted on 06/18/2009 5:50:54 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

i live on the atlantic coast of florida...i say drill baby drill....gas in daytona is back to 2.79 a gal and rising daily....i was in california back in early 99 and driving the coast they had platforms visable from the shore...wasn’t anything wrong with it in my opinion and when is the last time we heard of a disaster out there...


38 posted on 06/18/2009 5:53:24 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: jwparkerjr

i don’t think they could see the rigs from either of those places...


39 posted on 06/18/2009 5:57:09 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

10 miles is FINE. Drill HERE, drill NOW!!


40 posted on 06/18/2009 6:06:01 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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