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How Close is Too Close For Offshore Drilling?
WOKV ^ | June 11th | Jared Halpern

Posted on 06/18/2009 3:46:57 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

Congress is debating a bill that would open up oil and natural gas platforms just ten miles from portions of Florida's Gulf and Atlantic coasts. It's putting pressure on state lawmakers to decide how close is too close to search for new energy sources.

As it stands, oil and natural gas exploration is limited to dozens of miles away from Florida's beaches and some in the state worry that allowing access just ten miles away, in Federal waters, puts Florida at risk environmentally without any of the financial windfalls.

(Excerpt) Read more at wokv.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: drillheredrillnow; drilling; energy; gasprices; offshoredrilling; oil; seeatsea; vision
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This bothers me. WOKV is a talk radio affiliate, but they refuse to answer their own question as if the answer doesn't exist.

How Far Can You See at Sea?

The equation is this: Visible distance (nautical miles) = 1.17 × Square root of the height (feet)

What that means is that an oil derrick 100 feet tall would be entirely below the horizon at 11.7 nautical miles (13.5 statute miles) from shore. (Multiply nautical miles by 1.15 to get statute miles.) If painted sea green/blue, they’d be invisible even closer.

1 posted on 06/18/2009 3:46:57 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I am entirely with you on this one, there is an urgent national need for oil and a reasonable accommodation must be made by those onshore to provide it. Only Ted Kennedy should be accorded a flawless prospect.

Nevertheless, how does the elevation of the Observer affect your formula?


2 posted on 06/18/2009 3:54:59 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I say put the rigs on the beaches if we have to-—DRILL, BABY DRILL!


3 posted on 06/18/2009 3:58:59 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Once they nationalize the greedy oil industry the socialists will drill for oil everywhere, look for a platform on your lawn at that point.


4 posted on 06/18/2009 4:01:18 AM PDT by stockpirate (The 2nd amendment protects all other rights as outlined in our constitution. Without it we fall.)
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To: nathanbedford

Depending on the elevation and again assuming an 11 mile distance with a 100 foot tall oil rig, it would surely make a small portion of the rig visible.

But keep in mind the limitations of human vision vs distance.(perspective)

What you’d see would be merely a black speck on the horizon that at first you wouldn’t know if it was a boat or anything else unless you sat there for hours and just stared at it and realized that it wasn’t moving anywhere.

Also keep in mind how rigs are built. The highest points of these rigs are often times not the bulk of the platform.


5 posted on 06/18/2009 4:01:46 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

For some places that would be fine, but for areas which rely on tourism dollars the NIMBY argument does carry weight.

Especially considering technologies such as slant drilling. There’s absolutely no need to put tourism dollars at risk when you don’t have to.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 4:03:05 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: stockpirate

Heh heh it’s for the good of the collective you know. :-)


7 posted on 06/18/2009 4:03:40 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

500’ should be ample!


8 posted on 06/18/2009 4:06:05 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

“There’s absolutely no need to put tourism dollars at risk when you don’t have to.”

How in the hell does an oil platform put tourism dollars at risk!

Does a ship passing by drive everyone inland?

Shove your it isn’t natural up your backside!


9 posted on 06/18/2009 4:09:15 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I somehow missed the major networks reporting all the environmental disasters from hurricanes Katrina and Ike.

There may have been small incidents, but no 'Valdez' type disasters from the thousands of wells and miles of pipelines in the Gulf of Mexico.

10 posted on 06/18/2009 4:10:36 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

No one is touring ... there is no tourism as it once was .... no one can afford it.


11 posted on 06/18/2009 4:14:04 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: stockpirate
look for a platform on your lawn at that point.

That's a promise I hope.
12 posted on 06/18/2009 4:17:13 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: knarf

>>No one is touring ... there is no tourism as it once was .... no one can afford it.<<

Exactly.


13 posted on 06/18/2009 4:18:23 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I say put the rigs on the beaches if we have to

A friend of mine did volunteer work at her local visitors center  and she tells of once getting a call from  a tourist asking which beach is closest to the ocean

14 posted on 06/18/2009 4:25:35 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Nothing personal, but I think that the “threat to tourism” angle is just dumb. Somebody should ask Santa Barbara if oil rigs at sea bothers tourists.

On the contrary, many tourists go to Santa Barbara just to see the infamous oil rigs.


15 posted on 06/18/2009 4:33:09 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
You've got your facts on the visibility issue down pat. My father, who was a sea captain imparted your formula to me based on someone on the bridge of a ship and your numbers work almost to a tee.

The other benefit to rigs 10 or 12 miles off the coast is the reef effect that results. Fishing the rigs has been nothing but spectacular off the Louisiana coast.

16 posted on 06/18/2009 4:36:19 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - MARSOC DAD)
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To: dalereed; jimtorr

————How in the hell does an oil platform put tourism dollars at risk!-—————

Stigma.

As conservatives we’ve been fighting the drive by media for many, many decades.

It’s taken a long time to get to a place where we can effectively fight back but their propaganda and notions go very deep. They have a huge head start on us.

Simply by being ‘news’ outlets they have a unique ability to spout their drivel from the standpoint of sheer fact.

That’s incredibly damaging and it’s something that can’t be ignored. Sure, we here at FR are largely immune to their efforts but way too many aren’t and act accordingly every single day.


17 posted on 06/18/2009 4:40:51 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Recon Dad
Thanks.

You may find this particular thread worthy of a few minutes.

Offshore Drilling is good for oceans and beaches

18 posted on 06/18/2009 4:42:41 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (Obama's war on prosperity : Liberal newspapers hardest hit)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

You have to run that equation from both the oil platform end (as you did) and from the viewer’s end, then add the two distances together to get the true horizon distance for that situation. In this case, the viewer’s position would be 1.17 x the Square root of the height of the highest condo or hotel room balcony facing the Gulf (just wait and see...). Figure that if both ends are 100 feet, the horizon distance just doubled to 23 miles.


19 posted on 06/18/2009 4:46:34 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
"look for a platform on your lawn at that point.
That's a promise I hope."

"Mornin' ma'am .. I'm from the ABC Oil Company, and we'd like the right of way to your back yard and be allowed to drill there. We'll put in a sturdy, but decorative 'driveway' to support our equipment, and when the drilling is done, we will return your land to as original appearance as possible.

Now, here's a check for $42,000 for this agreement and a contract for you to receive a 2% commission check every month.

(This is not so far fetched ... the gas/oil drillers here in SW Penn. have given my daughter and son-in-law just such a deal and there is no acrual promise it will ever be done ((other feilds are being developed)), but the money became income my s.i.l. had to pay taxes on last year as it is considered income.)

20 posted on 06/18/2009 4:47:22 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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