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Iranian Clerical Opposition Forming
The Washington Times ^ | June 16, 2009 | Jim Robbins

Posted on 06/16/2009 2:35:41 PM PDT by Abakumov

The uprising in Iran can only succeed if there are fundamental shifts within the clerical power structure that runs the country. There are now signs that an opposition group is crystallizing within the religious leadership.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abtahi; iran; iranuprising; iranviolence2009; khamenei; montazeri; mullahs; rafsanjani
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To: peace with honor

0bama will send in our military to help the status quo, not assist the uprising.


21 posted on 06/16/2009 3:16:52 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: TruthConquers
the majority of the Iranians are not interested with the mullahs being in power.

I don't think there's much evidence for this. It does seem likely that English speaking Iranians and students want more freedom from theocracy, but that is far from a majority of the country.

I think the mullahs could give them Mousavi as president tomorrow, and nothing of substance would change.

The only way there's a real revolution against the theo-facists is by arms and those would have to come from outside support.

It is a ripe situation for regime change in Iran, but Obama thinks he shouldn't "interfere".

22 posted on 06/16/2009 3:22:39 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

It does seem likely that English speaking Iranians and students want more freedom from theocracy, but that is far from a majority of the country.

Not true; 70% of the population is under age 30. It's the young people in the big cities who hate the mullahs.
23 posted on 06/16/2009 3:27:02 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: SDShack; All

“Hopefully, this type of “CHANGE” can continue throughout the islamic world.”

This was the vision of the Bush Admin, putting two democracies on either side of the main terrorist instigator for the past 30 years. Maybe its time for another carrier landing for W under the “Mission Accomplished” banner. God Bless Him. His reputation and character were sacrificed to lay the groundwork for freedom and stability in the middle east. Hopefully Obama’s outreach projects are too little too late.


24 posted on 06/16/2009 3:27:54 PM PDT by johncocktoasten (Obama/Biden '08, in and of itself, A Bridge To Nowhere)
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To: ZX12R
Or it could be very bad. There is no way things change without a lot of bloodshed. See average religious fanatic Islamic behavior.

Yes, sadly, you just know this isn't going to be without a lot of bloodshed.

It'll be interesting to watch Obama duck the issue for months more like he has the last few days.

25 posted on 06/16/2009 3:33:05 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: PapaBear3625; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2270252/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2272960/posts?page=79#79


26 posted on 06/16/2009 3:45:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
[copied from another thread]

In the old Soviet Union, things were run by an inner circle of the Party called the Nomenklatura, who occupied the key positions, and retained for themselves a high standard of living relative to the rest of the USSR. Iran seems to have its own version, consisting of the upper clergy and the senior members of the Revolutionary Guard.

This unrest follows the collapse in oil prices from 12 months ago, which reduced oil revenues used to support the standard of living of the Iranian inner circle and the thugs they use to keep the rest in line. Faced with declining revenues, they have two main choices: reduce their standards of living, or trim the size of the privileged class. Either choice is likely to be unpalatable.

Mousavi seems to have wanted to trim the size of the control apparatus, disbanding the "morality police" and loosening restrictions (and thus the expense of maintaining the kind of internal force that would be needed to maintain it).

Ahmadinejad, OTOH, is in bed with the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij (who seem to be the ones performing the "morality police" function) and has their support. It could be we are seeing a situation where the Iranian security forces may want to reduce expenses by reducing the number of "inner circle" clerics.

27 posted on 06/16/2009 3:51:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: angkor
From your link:

RT CNN & BBC, We have NUMEROUS eye witness accounts that the Basij militia are ransacking the city of Tehran, where are you? #iranelection

2 minutes ago from Tweetie


28 posted on 06/16/2009 4:19:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: angkor
Another from tweeter:

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From Anonymous Doctor in Iran: 94 wounded persons were brought to the Hospital. 50 were shot and 9 of them died. #iranelection #gr88

5 minutes ago from web

Hir Matlewis

29 posted on 06/16/2009 4:23:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
RT Iran: Basiji militia ransacking Tehran homes http://bit.ly/MKzXX #Tehran #IRanElection #gr88

7 minutes ago from web

Mi Rez

30 posted on 06/16/2009 4:25:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: newfreep

Fake “CHANGE” as usual Mr.O !
Only fools can believe in being fooled again


31 posted on 06/16/2009 4:26:57 PM PDT by Ulysse
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To: All
RT @persiankiwi: unconfmd major incident at Azadi - shooting - fires - ppl running #Iranelection

1 minute ago from twhirl


32 posted on 06/16/2009 4:28:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: angkor
#iranelection #iran DO NOT Retweet ANY posts made by IRANIANS! This is for THEIR PROTECTION! This is -LIFE AND DEATH-.

1 minute ago from web

Adam Seale

33 posted on 06/16/2009 4:30:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: fishergirl
RT Iran: "Hossein Zaman singer and supporter of Mousavi got arrested." Also be aware lives at stake (no ID on RT helps) #gr88 #iranelection

3 minutes ago from web

Micah Francisco

34 posted on 06/16/2009 4:33:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PapaBear3625

Apparently the mullah’s fear of Mousavi’s willingness to loosen the leash a bit on the population causing then end of their control caused them to insure that Ahmadinejad would win. Mousavi was vetted by the mullahs and is just a bit less vocal than Ahmadinejad in his dictatorial desires.


35 posted on 06/16/2009 4:33:56 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: All
RT from Iran new round of effort by Ministry of Intelligence&National Security to locate/arrest internet activists. #iranelection #iran9

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Bill Kohan

36 posted on 06/16/2009 4:36:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
RT from Iran: People of yoosefabad ignited big fires in almost every avenue to prevent tear gas & stop motorcycle police #IranElection

3 minutes ago from txt

Reem Sapp

37 posted on 06/16/2009 4:37:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
RT @oxfordgirl: Ppl shot in Isfahan (youtube) http://tr.im/oJal #gr88 #iranelection

5 minutes ago from TwitterFon


38 posted on 06/16/2009 4:39:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; SolidWood; Straight Vermonter; G8 Diplomat; Man50D; Abakumov; ...
Link to Youtube video from post #38 ....very disturbing:

Shooting in Iran

39 posted on 06/16/2009 4:43:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Most people in Iran don't know that the world is following them on twitter. When I tell them they are filled with joy and hope #Iranelection

less than 20 seconds ago from web


40 posted on 06/16/2009 4:45:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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