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State Department Says China to Get U.S. Aid under New Climate Deal
CNSNews ^ | June 15, 2009 | Matt Cover

Posted on 06/15/2009 4:41:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo

(CNSNews.com) - U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern said that there was “no question” that China would receive both financial and technological assistance from the United States as part of upcoming climate change talks to be conducted in Copenhagen, Denmark.

“This is a developing country issue, which includes China,” Stern told reporters on Friday. “I think there is no question that a Copenhagen agreement is going to have to include mechanisms to provide the financial flows and technological assistance to developing countries.”

The Copenhagen talks are part of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC), the U.N. body responsible for negotiating the Kyoto Protocol and its successor treaty, negotiation of which will be finalized in Copenhagen this December.

China, called a developing country by the U.N., is being given a special definition by U.S. negotiators who want any final agreement to reflect that despite its vast swaths of undeveloped rural countryside, China is rapidly urbanizing, boasting fully modern cities. Stern outlined this split personality, saying China was “both” a developed and a “developing” country.

“I’ve said on a number of occasions now that it’s accurate that China is in effect both a developed and a developing country at this point,” said Stern. “They are developed in some of their major cities, Beijing and Shanghai, but they’re still developing and still quite poor in a large part of the countryside.”

Regardless, the United States will be spreading the wealth China’s way, helping them to meet whatever final carbon emissions reduction goals come out of Copenhagen.

“It [assistance] needs to focus both on mitigation – the means of producing your CO2 emissions, putting you on a low carbon path – and adaptation, which has to do with dealing with the effects of climate change that has already happened,” said Stern, then, “yes, there will need to be those [assistance] mechanisms.”

Stern acknowledged that the details of precisely how the United States would assist China had yet to be worked out, explaining that there were many questions which need to be answered before December.

“There are a whole host of questions that are important, issues that are important with respect to how to structure a financing mechanism: what institutions to use, what governments to use, where the sources of the money are going to come from, whether it’s between public or private markets, all of those things are under discussion,” he said.

In its Input to the Negotiating Text, a skeleton proposal outlining what the United States would like the Copenhagen agreement to say, the State Department introduced a new criterion reflecting its nuanced view of China’s development.

“With respect to developing country Parties whose national circumstances reflect greater responsibility or capability,” the proposal reads, before outlining that these special countries must implement their own, distinct carbon reduction plans like developed states.

China is the largest emitter of carbon dioxide in the world and it, along with the third-largest emitter India have been the source of U.S. objection in international climate negotiations, with the State Department arguing that any agreement that did not reflect the two countries’ contributions to greenhouse gas emissions would be unfair.

Stern said that China was finally coming around, saying that the Chinese understood that climate change could not be contained without their participation and that the size of their carbon emissions put them in a special category of polluters.

“The stark reality, though, is that the world cannot contain climate change, we cannot avoid dangerous levels of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, without very significant effort by China,” Stern said. “We talked very openly and candidly and in a lot of detail about what needs to be done on both sides to advance to a successful outcome in Copenhagen.”

China, he said, would be expected to reduce their emissions below where they otherwise would be if no actions were taken. Developed countries must generally reduce their emissions below an as-yet-to-be-determined yearly level -- for example, the level of emissions in 1990 used by the Kyoto Protocol.

“We are expecting China to reduce emissions very considerably compared to where they would otherwise be,” said Stern. “That’s not an absolute reduction below where they are right now, because they [China] are not quite at that point yet. In that respect, the developed and developing countries are different.”


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1 posted on 06/15/2009 4:41:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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China: MOWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH. Americans are SOOO DUMB


2 posted on 06/15/2009 4:42:14 AM PDT by 4rcane
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So China LEND Americans money with interest, so that Americans can go around then GIVE them to China as aid


3 posted on 06/15/2009 4:43:52 AM PDT by 4rcane
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How can China receive ANY aid from the US? We OWE THEM hundreds of billions of dollars. It’s like a street bum handing Donald Trump money!

This administration makes drunken sailors seem the model of good fiscal practice! Unbelievable!

Throw the bums OUT!


4 posted on 06/15/2009 4:45:34 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: 4rcane
"So China LEND Americans money with interest, so that Americans can go around then GIVE them to China as aid"

Exactly. This is madness.

5 posted on 06/15/2009 4:48:13 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Mr. Mojo

China owned the Clintons, looks like they own Barack too.

Soon they will be the only superpower and we’ll all be growing rice and pigs for them.


6 posted on 06/15/2009 4:49:56 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: 4rcane

Payback from interfering with several US elections
to put the DNC in the White House?


7 posted on 06/15/2009 4:50:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Mr. Mojo

When will the American people get sick and tired of this type of Insanity? No wonder the rest of the world LAUGHS at us...


8 posted on 06/15/2009 4:51:27 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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To: Diogenesis

Idiots prevail in DC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 06/15/2009 4:51:46 AM PDT by jedi150
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To: Truth29

Only excemption would be if, in the future US decide to default on their debt, and screw China. Then US would be the one laughing. Its not our fault! You are predator lenders! Loan sharks!


10 posted on 06/15/2009 4:52:29 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane
Obama and his henchmen are eager to sell the U.S. to the U.N. as rapidly as possible. Every angle is a crisis, every solution is more government and more un Constitutional executive Fiat. The courts are being stacked, the Congress is out of control, and the time for polite disagreement is past. The Republican party cannot even find itself agreeing to criticize Obama, let alone stand in opposition.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
11 posted on 06/15/2009 4:53:27 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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This is unbelievable!!! China owns us now. If they were to cash in their US bonds we’d be bankrupt. Thanks to our incompetent, spineless, political hack leadership we are becoming the western hemisphere’s Zimbabwe.


12 posted on 06/15/2009 4:54:21 AM PDT by kenmcg (aS WACKY AS IT MAY)
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To: Mr. Mojo

There is no hope for the present political culture in Washington - these people have reached the point of terminal idiocy.

The whole system needs to be purged from top to bottom and restarted on constitutional principles. There must be severe penalties for anyone who departs from those principles, who uses double-speak or reads into the constitution anything that isn’t there.

We can no longer suffer idiots who do stupid things like spend more than the country has, who borrow money from China and turn around and give them money for free, who give foreign aid to terrorists and trouble makers, who pay farmers not to grow food. These people will need to be removed from office immediately and barred from ever holding office or working in any government job again for the rest of their lives.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 4:54:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were a clueless, idiot, and suppose you were Barack Obama; but I repeat myself)
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To: 4rcane

We’re not so much dumb, as we are PWN3D by China.

Literally.

Bambi dare not rock the leaky boat; his $timulu$ program could sink like a stone if the Chinese pull funding support.


14 posted on 06/15/2009 4:54:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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You've got to be kidding me...one scam after another after another after another...we have to be the most stoooopid people in history. We, the Fools, and our money are soon parted, again and again and again...
15 posted on 06/15/2009 4:55:32 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Mr. Mojo

I’m getting dizzy from all of this. China owns most of our national debt, but we are going to give them money to help them meet “carbon emissions goals”?????

The inmates are truly running the asylum!!!


16 posted on 06/15/2009 4:56:19 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Regardless, the United States will be spreading the wealth China’s way, helping them to meet whatever final carbon emissions reduction goals come out of Copenhagen.

Will they spread the wealth when we're a third world nation? Or will it be oven-time for their former round-eyed devil customers who owe them money?

17 posted on 06/15/2009 4:57:11 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

God, we must look like a nation of doofuses out there.

I’m embarrassed to be an American.


18 posted on 06/15/2009 4:57:44 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: reagan_fanatic

And there is only one way to change it.

The faster we put the NY Times company and CNN out of business the faster we will get our country back.

Until these groups decide to report what is going on, the madness will continue.


19 posted on 06/15/2009 5:06:02 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Climate change alarmists are Warm-Mongers. Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Financial help?????????????????????


20 posted on 06/15/2009 5:11:21 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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