Posted on 06/14/2009 4:28:12 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance
Section three of the twentieth amendment..
" ”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
Oath of office, Article six...
” The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
Challenging the qualifications of Obama is DEMANDED by the Constitution.
Obey this document or suffer the consequences for yourselves and your descendants.
Sir,
The Contract with America provided a focus to the Republican party. Something solid to build your brand around. Would you consider a new Contract with America? (Don’t tell my to read the party platform. It is a bloated joke that not even party elite take seriously).
Parenthetically, why do you think the Republican party abandoned the Contract with America when it was so clearly an election success?
Your ignorance of the inner-workings of the Methodist Church does a great disservice to xzins, and thousands of others. Yes, many of the problems you listed do exist. But they are not representative of the church as a whole.
There are thousands of conservative Methodists fighting against the liberal trend, not willing to surrender centuries of proclaiming the gospel to the vocal minority espousing liberal, and non-Biblical principles.
And no, I'm not a Methodist.
cut the crap - you made an assertion - I proved it wrong - as a pastor, x is a conservative influence from within the church, and Im sure he’s not the only one. Unfortunately, aspects of leadership are liberal...yet you cite them as all encompassing
I'll repeat tx's question. Drilling would pretty much get us out of the hole and set us up as a solid, profitable state.
Drilling and quit paying for services for illegal immigrants alone would set CA right!
EV: You're full of you-know-what and you know it. Stop slandering a whole bunch of very good people.
Stop using FR as a means to try to destroy the Republican party so you can hopefully get a few gullible contributors to your phony "third party" that will never do anything constructive and you know it. The best you can hope for is to elect some more Democrats.
Learn the history of the National Council of Churches.
explains much as to why youre critical of those who are critical of the Republicrat party LOL
and what perfect denomination are you from? I'd like to join
Perhaps the difference is that we don’t equate eternal salvation with political success.
Your proselytizing may vary.
I am not claiming that x is not a conservative. He probably is but at the same time, he's willing to accept the liberalism within the Methodist church while he expects perfection from the Republican party and I consider this philosophy to be backward.
I know what I'm talking about. I've made a study of the NCC for many years. My MIL was warning me about the NCC in the 50s.
I left an apostate ELCA over 15 years ago for the exact same reasons. These "churches" are not churches at all--they're left wing, liberal political institutions and they're blindly leading thousands of gullible parishoners down the primrose path.
Even if you have a Godly pastor in a congregation (and I suppose that describes X), you are still contributing to the political activity of the hierarchy. Each conservative that sits in the pew of one of these churches and contributes financially to it is helping to promote socialism and the evils associated with it.
Thank you and you are stating my point exactly. I consider eternal salvation to be far more important than what happens here on earth and I view it as these "purists" being far more lax in what they expect from a church than what they expect from a political party. It's backwards.
Not hardly. You've been quite inconsistent on this thread.
I had to leave an apostate church (the ELCA) which is very much like the modern-day Methodist church.
If people like X can somehow lead the whole Methodist church away from the NCC and return it to being a Biblically-based church, I am all for it. WE would all be better off as churches are going more and more liberal all the time--just like schools and education.
As a matter of fact, I believe that the liberalism in churches is more responsible for the moral decay we have in this country than even education.
If we can't get the truth at our churches, where can we get it?
I haven't intended to be inconsistent at all. I'm only saying I see people here on FR being inconsistent as to what they are willing to accept in their churches and their political party.
They want perfection from the political party and are willing to accept more than imperfection (even apostasy) from their churches. It makes no sense to me.
1:)Pushing for driling our oil offshore
2:) ending much of the EPA regs that stifle business
3:)Pushing for the elimination of the income tax in CA
4:)Pushing for massive spending cuts the involve both the government work force and the elected officials, I.E. Salary cuts for the legislature and huge firings in the non-elected positions
5:)Pushing for the elimination of the Unions.
6:) Pushing to end all the ridiculous anti-gun and anti-ammo laws now on the books and pending for the future.
7:)Fighting the ridiculous "global warming" hoax and the expenditures that accompany it. This is a large expense that would help rid us of a deficit if we dumped the the cost associated with it.
8:)Pushing to have the illegals run out of CA and telling Arnold that "Yes, illegals are a large part of the problem with the budget
9:)Telling the truth about the destructive path the President is on when it comes to the economy. 10:) Pushing to NOT have a fed bailout and refusing to take bailout money
That about covers it for now but I am sure there are some things I have forgotten.
Ron, what do you and Arlen SpectRE have planned for next year, as Democrats?
bttt to follow posts.
God bless you all since I live in Kali.
You obviously have no idea how methodism works. For example, you write: “You support and give credence to a “church” that invites Jeremiah Wright to speak.”
I did not invite Jeremiah Wright to speak. He hasn’t been seen in these parts. Nor has my bishop invited him to speak, and that’s as far as it goes. The area covered by our bishop answers to no higher level of any hierarchy.
If some other individual church or individual bishop invites someone to speak, then they are separate from us. I can say absolutely nothing about that. They don’t answer to me or my bishop.
Every 4 years (for only 10 days), there is a convention at which we rewrite our rules and plans. That body of elected members could, perhaps, put in one of our documents: “No one is allowed to invite Jeremiah Wright” to speak. But, they wouldn’t do it, and I wouldn’t want them to. That’s getting way too far into the weeds.
What you don’t understand is that Methodism has no “pope” or “ruler” who is in charge of the big group. It’s a bunch of little groups (annual conferences and boards/agencies) that are on their own except for a 4-year meeting at which plans are made and rules are rewritten.
Allow me to remind you of what I said earlier: “You have it backward. It makes more sense to work hard to reform your church than it does to reform your political party.” Jesus founded the church. Who founded the GOP?
All that said, let me agree with you that some of our independent regions are way out in left field. I have absolutely zero influence over them except in terms of the every 4 year meeting....and that’s been slowly going our way for the last 16 years.
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