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2 Japanese carrying $134 bil worth of U.S. bonds detained in Italy
Japan Today ^ | Thursday 11th June, 06:18 AM JST | JapanToday

Posted on 06/10/2009 10:45:08 PM PDT by Xenophon450

ROME —

Two Japanese nationals were detained by Italian financial police last week after trying to enter Switzerland with $134 billion worth of undeclared U.S. bonds, mostly Treasury bonds, an Italian daily said Wednesday. The Japanese consulate general in Milan confirmed that the detention had taken place and said it was trying to confirm with Italian authorities whether the two were indeed Japanese nationals and their identities.

According to the report in il Giornale, two unidentified Japanese in their 50s concealed the bonds, including 249 U.S. Treasury bonds each worth $500 million, in a suitcase with a false bottom that was searched by the Italian authorities June 3 when they were in Chiasso, at the border with Switzerland, about 50 kilometers north of Milan. The daily did not say on what charges they have been detained, but the two may have been detained on suspicion of attempting to take a large amount of securities out of Italy without declaring it because the paper said they had not declared the bonds.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan
KEYWORDS: 200906; 20090603; bearerbonds; bonds; counterfeit; fakebonds; italy; japan; japanese; mafia; meyerhardt; milan; milancell; stephenmeyerhardt; switzerland; tbills; tm; treasurybonds; undeclaredbonds; undeclaredusbonds; usbonds; ustreasurybonds
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To: investigateworld
If this was organized crime related, those two who were the runners are TOAST. We'll probably never know. But if I DO hear anything, I'll let you know! :-)
261 posted on 06/12/2009 3:59:30 PM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: BellStar; April Lexington
Here is a little bit of insight.

If the owners of those bonds have owned them for 6 months, AND they are the 30 year bonds...those bonds have dropped in market value by 35% since December 19th when they were yielding 2.52% (now the yield is 4.65%).

So the $134,000,000,000 par value would have become about $88,000,000,000 market value today.

This week the US borrowed about $140,000,000,000 so if someone tried to sell these bonds the market would have crashed.

My foil hat tells me these bonds were headed for a shredder in return for some "in kind" consideration.

262 posted on 06/12/2009 8:07:20 PM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: AFreeBird
If the bonds are found to be genuine, the two could be fined around 40 percent of the total value of the bonds, it said.

Italy just had a 53 billion dollar payday.....
263 posted on 06/12/2009 8:19:30 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Positive
My foil hat tells me these bonds were headed for a shredder in return for some "in kind" consideration.

That's a mighty fine tin foil hat you have there. I'm still in shock that anyone has $134 billion in paper bonds. Maybe its one of those James Bond villains and he needs the cash to build a Mars landing craft or something. This whole story boggles the mind. Worse, Drudge picked it up today...

264 posted on 06/12/2009 11:18:27 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Wouldn't the conversion of the fund investments into all paper bonds set off a few sirens at the SEC?

The US Treasury would have to issue the paper bonds and that would raise eyebrows. Paper bonds are a huge hassle and they don't trade easily. Nobody like these things because of the custody issues, etc.

Hmmmmm. I wonder what Geithner knows... Maybe, tin foil hat time, this has something to do with Obama????

265 posted on 06/12/2009 11:22:38 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: investigateworld
At this point, that's as good as any other theory.

There is still James Bond Villain and Martians!

266 posted on 06/12/2009 11:24:11 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: redhead
"As they say, this is hugh, I'm series. Yep, and I was in the shower!"

Okeydoke! I'll get the popcorn! Beeber set to "stune."

This is turning into quite a cheesy moose-biter.

267 posted on 06/13/2009 2:53:12 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: April Lexington; Big Giant Head

This is a very interesting topic, if it is legitimate. I wonder if we will ever discover the truth about ANY of it.


268 posted on 06/13/2009 10:27:53 AM PDT by redhead (Check out the Half-Baked Sourdough (shameless blog plug))
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To: redhead

US drive by medias still silent ...


269 posted on 06/13/2009 8:05:31 PM PDT by Wontsubmit
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To: Wontsubmit
US drive by medias still silent ...

That's because members of the MSM can't do math.

270 posted on 06/13/2009 8:31:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (Main Stream Media (MSM) Renamed: Ministry of Truth (MOT) - -"Freedom is Slavery")
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To: redhead

Earlier in my career I spend a great deal of time prosecuting securities fraud. This is an incredible story and has really tweaked my interest. Its the biggest thing I’ve ever seen, or... its not true. I believe the $134 billion is not accurate. Too much money. But, I hope I’m wrong!


271 posted on 06/13/2009 10:51:50 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

True. There is an AWFUL lot of information in this “not much information” leak. SOMEBODY wanted this knowledge to get out. The plot is truly thickening. I’ll be watching...


272 posted on 06/14/2009 11:57:56 AM PDT by redhead (Obama: Lame Duck in 2010. Check out the Half-baked Sourdough! (shameless blog plug!))
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To: redhead

I’ll be watching too. Just too much liquidity to be sneaking into Switzerland...


273 posted on 06/14/2009 9:20:55 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
"Just too much liquidity to be sneaking into Switzerland..."

Exactly. Waaaaaay too much money, made waaaay too public, and waaaay too little being said and/or done about the whole thing. Like I said: either it's a potboiler that got out of hand, or we should be watching over our shoulders. LOL! I'm starting to smell day-old salmon...

274 posted on 06/14/2009 10:33:32 PM PDT by redhead (Obama: Lame Duck in 2010. Check out the Half-baked Sourdough! (shameless blog plug!))
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To: April Lexington
image from http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/06/italy-seizes-135-billion-treasury-bonds.html

Interestingly, the site reports (among other interesting tidbits) a virtual news blackout of the topic in mainland China.

It does not make logical sense to me that they would be fake. The denominations are too large for that imho.

275 posted on 06/16/2009 12:35:12 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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276 posted on 06/16/2009 1:43:31 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: SteveH
Mystery of the year, in my humble opinion. I still think its a fake. But, with my luck, that means its real! Time will tell...
277 posted on 06/16/2009 6:59:14 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Xenophon450

Which might buy them a loaf of bread after 3 more years of BHO


278 posted on 06/16/2009 7:01:05 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: April Lexington

It makes me wonder if they aren’t Japanese nationals working for North Korea? North Korea has been guilty of kidnapping Japanese nationals in the past. Maybe they are disposable enough?

All I know is that only a nation could have that much. It makes me wonder if they are forgeries.


279 posted on 06/16/2009 7:24:57 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Let the purging of the RINOs begin in 2010. - MissouriConservative)
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To: Xenophon450

BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!


280 posted on 06/16/2009 7:27:10 PM PDT by PGalt
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