Posted on 06/10/2009 5:19:23 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
Any health care reform plan that Obama signs is almost certain to call for nutrition counseling, obesity screenings and wellness programs at workplaces and community centers. He wants more time in the school day for physical fitness, more nutritious school lunches and more bike paths, walking paths and grocery stores in underserved areas.
The president is filling top posts at Health and Human Services with officials who, in their previous jobs, outlawed trans fats, banned public smoking or required restaurants to provide a calorie count with that slice of banana cream pie.
Even Congress is getting into the act, giving serious consideration to taxing sugary drinks and alcohol to help pay for the overhaul.
To some, it smacks of a “nanny state on steroids” — but for others who fret that America is turning into one big Overeaters Anonymous meeting, Obama’s prescription is like a low-fat dream come true.
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While her overweight seven kids are slurping up soda and dropping candy bar wrappers all over the floor.
Michelle Obama looks like Patrick Ewing.
We need to begin to pray, all of us, for powerful liberal media folks to wake up and turn on obama and realize their own beliefs are dangerous for our republic, or for our Father to bring forth such powerful, strong conservatives with voices that cannot be denied, such as Sarah Palins, that the media is not able to ignore or sush um.
I still don’t believe you understand. I’ll use the parallel of alcoholism. As far as I’m concerned, someone can drink themselves to death as long as it doesn’t affect me. Once they get behind the wheel and endanger me or my loved ones, then it becomes my business to support laws with stiff penalties. That’s not fascism, it’s good order and discipline.
If someone makes poor lifestyle choices in overeating and not exercising, I could care less if they drop dead or develop diabetes IF I don’t have to pay for their healthcare through higher premiums or taxes. If their poor choices cost me money, then my boot is going to be up their butt to lose weight and exercise.
Since I already know that my insurance premiums go up 15% because of other people’s healthcare issues, then I support as many initiatives as it takes to reduce their excess insurance risk, up to and including a personal trainer, fat tax, nutritional counseling or refusing them service at Taco Bell.
“Since I already know that my insurance premiums go up 15% because of other people’s healthcare issues, then I support as many initiatives as it takes to reduce their excess insurance risk,..”
No, I understand perfectly clear. You feel you suffer from the collectivist system, so you support dictatorial policies. I prefer the breaking up of the collectivist system. You have been assimilated.
As I said earlier, socialism (collectivism) will always lead to fascism (dictatorial policies.)
I've got no problem with that.
But I don't think inconvenience is going to be the motivator, far too many people have figured out how to get around the system. My idea has nothing to do with inconvenience, rather I'm looking at education for the motivation.
There are just some people that will not do what is right unless they are forced to do so. No matter what.
I went grocery shopping with a woman I know (I no longer call her a friend, although I did at that point) and she spent $60 on frozen lasagna dinners alone. I spent $25 on the ingredients to make lasagna. Her $60 made 5 meals for her and the 2 kids (her husband can't eat it) my $25 made 10 dinners and a couple of lunches for me, my husband and daughter. Yeah, it took me an entire day to put it all together, but I still have a full pan of lasagna in the freezer.
For 3 years I offered to teach her how to cook, and when ever her kids were here at my house we always made something, whether it be an afternoon snack or dinner.
I finally gave up on the entire lot of them. The 11 year old is about 5'7" and has to weigh close to 200# and the 5yo is closer in weight to me than she is to my almost 11yo.
they should test it out on all the fatass dorks in congress.......look at Murtha, he’s a picture of good health. How about Axelrod....he looks like a cross between Wimpy and Mr.Potatohead
Come on CJ.....you know better than that.
Government involvement/intervention is not how to change the problems you are talking about.
It sounds like you need to find a different carrier. The insurance carriers offer discounts to those that adhere to certain “life style” choices, but not to those who don’t. IOW, adherents to certain things can get a break on the costs that those who don’t adhere can’t get. That some dingbats don’t go for the discounts they can get is not a reason for government intervention.
There is far too much government control over our lives, we don’t need any more.
I would love to break up the big government mandates, but realistically don’t see it coming in my lifetime. Here’s what I suggest:
1. Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP. If you want healthcare, you have to pay for it, or get it through your employer. No job, no healthcare. Can’t work? Sorry, you should have saved your money when you had it instead of buying that big screen TV.
2. Repeal EMTALA. If you go to an Emergency room without insurance, you either make $1000 cash down payment, or you get no treatment.
I believe both of you will change your tune about government mandates the first time your kid is bleeding profusely and is turned away from an ER.
There are government mandates, and then there are government MANDATES. A certain amount of them are needed in most cases, but then there are others that are not and which only prove to make matters worse.
As much as I hate overwhelming government intervention into what seems to be every aspect of our lives, there are times when a little bit more would make a bit of sense. Why won't the ER take money NOW? The "we'll bill you" mantra is the cause of much of the problem.
My experience has been that the hospitals themselves are worse than the government and insurance companies combined and I'm talking experience going back more than 25 years.
How do you explain Barny Frank then?
Y’all make up your minds. Am I a Communist, a Fascist, or a Socialist? This is anti-communist ideology. The Marxist would say, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” So if I make a good living, I should support those who don’t?
I say, “I’ll pay my own way, and practice healthy habits. If you don’t do the same, you’re on your own.” How is that idea any of the above ideologies??
When this administration finally crashes and burns the debris field will be the size of Texas.
Keep it up a__holes.
ER’s are forbidden by Federal EMTALA statutes from demanding payment before treatment. They are required to see and evaluate every patient without regard to their ability to pay. They must follow this law if they participate in any Federal payment program, such as Medicare, Medicaid, FEHBP, Tricare, or SCHIP.
That isn't the fault of fat people. It's the fault of politicians that you support. You are the problem with rising insurance rates because you along with the politicians you support mandate that healthy industrious people that pay for their own health insurance also pay for lazy unhealthy peoples health insurance. In short, fat people aren't the problem, you are the problem.
Taxing junk food isn't going to lower the cost of health insurance or make anyone healthier. It's just going to send more money to Washington for the politicians to flush down the toilet.
Exactly. People are going to eat what they want regardless. Making rules and additional taxes are pointless from a health standpoint. The only way they make sense is from a power and control standpoint. The more freedom we give to the politicians, the closer we get to slavery. People who think we can regulate ourselves into some sort of Utopian society are deranged.
I was talking about AFTER treatment. Offer of payment was REFUSED. I fought with the damned hospital for 5 years all because they refused to take any money from me the night I went in there.
7 years later, they were real quick billing me for the delivery of my daughter claiming my insurance refused to pay. The hospital bill showed a denial from the insurance company 7 days BEFORE the insurance company had even received the billing. When I called the insurance company to ask what was up I was informed it had already been approved for payment.
No it's not. It's the fault of politicians that someone else supports. The ones who I support didn't get elected because they opposed higher taxes. It's the fat people who won't work and collect government benefits. I can guarantee you there would be less obesity, if government handouts were slashed and people had to go to work or starve.
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