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Supreme Court clears way for sale of CHRYSLER...( Rule of Law ABOLISHED!?)
http://www.drudgereport.com/ ^ | june 9 2009 | drudge

Posted on 06/09/2009 4:28:47 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Edited on 06/09/2009 4:38:36 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

High court won't block Chrysler sale

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court has cleared the way for Chrysler's sale to Fiat, turning down a last-ditch bid by opponents of the deal.

The court said late Tuesday it had rejected a plea to block the sale of most of Chrysler's assets to the Italian automaker. Chrysler, Fiat and the Obama administration had warned that the high court's intervention could have scuttled the sale.

A federal appeals court in New York had earlier approved the sale, but gave opponents until Monday afternoon to try to get the Supreme Court to intervene.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg ordered a temporary delay just before a 4 p.m. deadline on Monday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: automakers; bailoutnation; chrysler; indiana; killchryslerlist; michigan; pensionfunds; ruling; scotus
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

We’re investing in rice, beans, ammo, peanut butter, spam, heirloom seeds and more ammo.


221 posted on 06/09/2009 5:59:55 PM PDT by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening wooden stakes.)
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To: achilles2000

“You don’t have to have been harmed already to get a stay - the harm needs to be imminent and irreparable.”

I’m not a legal eagle, but isn’t the opinion simply stating that there were not sufficient grounds for a STAY? They did NOT rule on the merits of the bondholder claims: effectively they are just saying that bondholders still can sue after the takeover by Fiat and there would still be available remedies to make them whole. At some level, the harm to bondholders already has occurred in the prior decision about how to divide up Chrysler. Is there something about the Fiat takeover that would make the damage done irreparable? This is a honest question, not a rhetorical one. I don’t pretend to know the first thing about law or business.


222 posted on 06/09/2009 6:00:05 PM PDT by DrC
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

You are correct. It was about 1) the secured bondholders not getting their contractual rights recognized, as you say, and 2) the lawyers for Indiana also argued that the sale was facilitated by an unauthorized use of TARP money.


223 posted on 06/09/2009 6:00:15 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: TexasKate

You are an exemplary FReeper, TexasKate. There are few even on FR who are willing to come back to a thread to say they were wrong.

I applaud you in earnest.

(I could just as easily have been wrong. I didn’t do the research before posting that I thought the number was 4.)


224 posted on 06/09/2009 6:02:55 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: San Jacinto
Well hubby was standing next to me, as was my youngest ( a pubbie like her Momma) and I was trying to be sort of civil. Hubby said nothing. I think he was thinking what I said under my breath. Daughter was a bit shocked until I fully explained why.
I think she was more worried about the ramifications of me cursing a priest than any feelings she has for her uncle.
225 posted on 06/09/2009 6:03:49 PM PDT by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening wooden stakes.)
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To: Chgogal
You should read the history of FDR's Fascism for more understanding. It took years to stop.

We have 2010. Don't be so demoralized by speed bumps. The fight has only begun

Like with FDR, there is no way to hide the unemployment rate.

226 posted on 06/09/2009 6:04:21 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: MHGinTN
Barry the great is going to show us what that means in spades!


227 posted on 06/09/2009 6:04:37 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Tarpon
You are correct, I am demoralized. I will try to keep it in check. Thanks for bringing that to my attentions.
228 posted on 06/09/2009 6:06:46 PM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank and get your arse out of my car!)
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To: DrC

It is a sub rosa reorginazation pland - Chrysler creates a new company, sells all of it assets to the new company for pannies on the dollar, and leaves all the debt in the old company.

Illegal as H$LL.


229 posted on 06/09/2009 6:07:46 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Chgogal

Cheers ... It’s a long fight.


230 posted on 06/09/2009 6:08:51 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: DrC
Is there something about the Fiat takeover that would make the damage done irreparable?

That's a good question and I think the answer is "yes". Under the law, the bond holders were supposed to be in a position where the debt was secured by the assets of the company. My understanding of the Fiat deal is that those assets go away without benefitting the bond holders. Apparently, the rationale was that under TARP, the govt could do whatever the hell it wanted to as TARP trumped all existing laws. I think the refusal to issue a stay finishes any chance of legal remedy for the bond holders.

231 posted on 06/09/2009 6:09:31 PM PDT by San Jacinto (gorebull warming -- the Socialists' Shortcut.)
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To: DrC

The 2nd circuit ordered the sale to Fiat/US Government, and it’s that sale which would cause the harm to bondholders, by cheating them out of their contractual first priority as secured creditors. So the case before the Supreme Court started with a request for a preliminary injunction to stop the sale; and then if the Supreme Court granted that preliminary injunction and agreed to hear the case, the final remedy, if the bondholders won, would have been a permanent injunction to stop the sale.

But because the Supreme Court denied the preliminary injunction, the sale is a done deal right now as a matter of law. Chrysler is now a shell. New Chrysler is born.

So now the only possible action left to bondholders, in my opinion, is an after-the-fact Takings action, i.e., “Hey US Government, you took my property. Now you must compensate me.”


232 posted on 06/09/2009 6:12:08 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Tarpon

Something tells me we’ll see these Fiat models on the road real soon.

http://www.fiat.co.uk/Showroom/


233 posted on 06/09/2009 6:14:17 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: plain talk
You are giving too much credit for the markets ability to foresee anything that is further than 2 weeks in the future. I agree that the markers will not be impacted by this because the markets have adopted socialism. They are run by limousine liberals who will make money from other people money. They are using the fools 401(k) to make money whether the markets are up or down.
234 posted on 06/09/2009 6:14:20 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: San Jacinto; DrC

Let me try again - Chrysler went bankrupt, and their house is being sold at auction by the sheriff.

By law, the sheriff must sell the house to the highest bidder, and use the proceeds, first, to pay off the mortgage.

Instead, he sold the house to the maid in a rigged deal, then paid off the maid’s back wages with the proceeds, and put a big chunk aside for the maid’s retirement fund.

And he told the mortgage company, “I won.”

You see?

The irreperable harm is, the sheriff is immune from being sued, and so is the maid!

As for chrysler? as of the momment of the sale, it no longer exists.


235 posted on 06/09/2009 6:15:09 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: sport

What is God has to do with the evil of socialism?


236 posted on 06/09/2009 6:15:20 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: AirForceMom

Ditto. Any good tips on non-hybrid seeds? $220 seems pretty steep for one acre’s worth.


237 posted on 06/09/2009 6:15:55 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: BCrago66

Thanks.

One question:

“the sale was facilitated by an unauthorized use of TARP money”

I don’t understand how the TARP funds are involved. How did the funds facilitate the sale?


238 posted on 06/09/2009 6:17:16 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The most dangerous fascists are those with a warm smile and soothing voice.)
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To: o2bfree

I predict they will have the same success as the old Soviet Union produced cars did ... none.

But to make things fair, lets force all the Congress critters and bureaucrats to drive or ride in one with no options.

Suicide clown cars, who would be dumb enough to actually work and spend their money on this piece of crap. Maybe that’s why no one has sen one of these on the road for decades.


239 posted on 06/09/2009 6:18:25 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: patton

That’s actually excellent.

That’s the best, clearest and most precise explanation of what just happened. And I’ve been reading everything; MSM financial articles, legal blogs, etc.


240 posted on 06/09/2009 6:19:26 PM PDT by BCrago66
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