Posted on 06/09/2009 2:17:06 PM PDT by Clint Williams
here is another one that you might be interested in for your list:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1132409.stm
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I’ll look at it for inclusion into the Presidential Crises list. Thanks...
Note that the Soviets were wanting to “move in on Israel”... and they are the ones who “set up” the Six Day War that Israel engaged in.
A small section quoted from the article below....
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Rather than do so directly, however, Moscow devised a complex scheme to lure the Israelis into starting a war which would end with a Soviet attack on Dimona. Militarily, the Kremlin prepared by surrounding Israel with an armada of nuclear-armed forces in both the Mediterranean and Red seas, pre-positioning mat riel on land, and training troops nearby with the expectation of using them. Perhaps the most startling information in Foxbats over Dimona concerns the detailed plans for Soviet troops to attack Israeli territory, and specifically to bombard oil refineries and reservoirs, and reach out to Israeli Arabs. No less eye-opening is to learn that Soviet photo-reconnaissance MiG-25s (the “Foxbats” of the title) directly overflew the Dimona reactor in May 1967.
Politically, the scheme consisted of fabricating intelligence reports about Israeli threats to Syria, thereby goading the Egyptian, Syrian, and Jordanian forces to go on war-footing. As his Soviet masters then instructed, Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser moved his troops toward Israel, removed a United Nations buffer force, and blockaded a key naval route to Israel - three steps that together compelled the Israelis to move to a full-alert defense. Unable to sustain this posture for long, they struck first, thereby, it appeared, falling into the Soviet trap.
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And you better believe it, that Russia (the remainder of what is left of the Soviet Union) will be engaged again, in the future, in trying to “take out” Israel — in the Gog/Magog War in Ezekiel 38/39...
The Soviets’ Six Day War
- Daniel Pipes, Jerusalem Post May. 30th 2007
One of the great enigmas of the modern Middle East is why, 40 years ago next week, the Six-Day War took place. Neither Israel nor its Arab neighbors wanted or expected a fight in June 1967; the consensus view among historians holds that the unwanted combat resulted from a sequence of accidents.
Enter Isabella Ginor and Gideon Remez, a wife-husband team, to challenge the accident theory and offer a plausible explanation for the causes of the war. As suggested by the title of their book, Foxbats over Dimona: The Soviets’ Nuclear Gamble in the Six-Day War (Yale University Press), they argue that it originated in a scheme by the Soviet politburo to eliminate Israel’s nuclear facility at Dimona, and with it the country’s aspiration to develop nuclear weapons.
The text reads like the solution to a mystery, amassing information from voluminous sources, guiding readers step-by-step through the argument, making an intuitively compelling case that must be taken seriously. In summary, it goes like this:
Moshe Sneh, an Israeli communist leader (and father of Ephraim Sneh, the country’s current deputy minister of defense) told the Soviet ambassador in December 1965 that an advisor to the prime minister had informed him about “Israel’s intention to produce its own atomic bomb.” Leonid Brezhnev and his colleagues received this piece of information with dead seriousness and decided - as did the Israelis about Iraq in 1981 and may be doing about Iran in 2007 - to abort this process through air strikes.
Rather than do so directly, however, Moscow devised a complex scheme to lure the Israelis into starting a war which would end with a Soviet attack on Dimona. Militarily, the Kremlin prepared by surrounding Israel with an armada of nuclear-armed forces in both the Mediterranean and Red seas, pre-positioning mat riel on land, and training troops nearby with the expectation of using them. Perhaps the most startling information in Foxbats over Dimona concerns the detailed plans for Soviet troops to attack Israeli territory, and specifically to bombard oil refineries and reservoirs, and reach out to Israeli Arabs. No less eye-opening is to learn that Soviet photo-reconnaissance MiG-25s (the “Foxbats” of the title) directly overflew the Dimona reactor in May 1967.
Politically, the scheme consisted of fabricating intelligence reports about Israeli threats to Syria, thereby goading the Egyptian, Syrian, and Jordanian forces to go on war-footing. As his Soviet masters then instructed, Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser moved his troops toward Israel, removed a United Nations buffer force, and blockaded a key naval route to Israel - three steps that together compelled the Israelis to move to a full-alert defense. Unable to sustain this posture for long, they struck first, thereby, it appeared, falling into the Soviet trap.
But then the Israel Defense Forces did something astonishing. Rather than fight to a draw, as the Soviets expected, they quickly won what I have called “the most overwhelming victory in the annals of warfare.” Using purely conventional means, they defeated three enemy Arab states in six days, thereby preempting the planned Soviet invasion, which had to be scuttled.
Moscow’s responsibility for the Six-Day War has disappeared
This fiasco made the elaborate Soviet scheme look inept, and Moscow understandably decided to obscure its own role in engineering the war (its second major strategic debacle of the decade - the attempt to place missiles in Cuba having been the first). The cover-up succeeded so well that Moscow’s responsibility for the Six-Day War has disappeared from histories of the conflict. Thus, a specialist on the war like Michael Oren, has coolly received the Ginor-Remez thesis, saying he has not found “any documentary evidence to support” it.
If Foxbats over Dimona is not the definitive word, it offers a viable, exciting interpretation for others to chew on, with many implications. Today’s Arab-Israeli conflict, with its focus on the territories won in 1967, accompanied by virulent anti-Semitism, results in large part from Kremlin decisions made four decades ago. The whole exercise was for naught, as Israeli possession of nuclear weapons had limited impact on the Soviet Union before it expired in 1991. And, as the authors note , “21st century nostalgia for the supposed stability of the Cold War is largely illusory.”
Finally, 40 years later, where might things be had the Soviets’ Six-Day War not occurred? However bad circumstances are at present, they would presumably be yet worse without that stunning Israeli victory.
http://www.sixdaywar.co.uk/news_articles-soviets-six-day-war.htm
by Daniel Pipes
A total of four planes and three torpedo boats were sent. Even if the planes had run out of ammo, those torpedo boats would have finished the job. They only fired 5 torpedos, with one hitting. Or do you think they only had 5 torpedos between three boats?
Altogether, the boats had six torpedoes, two each. Some were duds and the rest missed.
If that's the case, why didn't they fire the last one?
Dunno, maybe they did and it missed or was a dud, or simply misfired and didn’t launch. Who knows?
I got this email from a survivor today
“I am one of the survivors of the deliberate attack. As far as I know this is the first time an American Board of Inquiry has taken the word of a foreign
power (Israel) over the eyewitness reports of the surviving crew. Does Israel enjoy a special relationship with the USA? Ask the surviving crew how much of a special relationship and they will tell you that the government will turn their back on their own to cater to Israel. We know it because we have experienced it. The only inquiry that I know of where eyewitness reports were utterly trashed.”
And he added
“Even Secretary of State Dean Rusk said he never believed the Isareli excuses. Louis
Tordella who was then Director of NSA didn’t beleive them. The list is long and the fact
that the Naval Board of Inquiry has now been shown to be nothing but a whitewash even
cries louder for a real Congressional Investigation. There has never been one.”
And one more email I got from a survivor (this has caught my interest of late)
To answer your questions:
How effectively did we fight back? We fought back? With what? The aircraft put large cannon holes in each of our 4 gun tubs and in each of our antenna mounts.
What was the mood like? We were scared ****less waiting all night for the rescue aircraft that we were hoping had been dispatched from the Sixth Fleet. We learned later that not one but two flights of rescue aircraft had been launched but both flights had been recalled before they arrived. If the first flight had not been recalled they in all likelihood would have arrived in time to drive away the torpedo boats.
How did we feel about being attacked by Israel? A bit surprised, to be sure. How we felt about being attacked by Israel pales compared to the outrage we felt then and feel today when we found out
that Lloyd Painter’s testimony has been removed from the record of the Court of Inquiry,
that the Court was ordered to conclude that the attack was not deliberate, that Findings of Fact were not supported by evidence and testimony in the Record,
that the written statements of some 65 USS Liberty survivors that had been provided to the Court at its request were not entered into the record,
that the Department of Defense has waived its obligation under the Department of Defense Law of War Program that requires it to investigate all allegations of violations of the laws of war whether committed by or against the United States,
that not a single Member of Congress has agreed to attend any function sponsored by USS Liberty survivors,
that Members of Congress demand we persuade millions of Americans to contact their Representatives and ask that the attack on our ship be investigated before they will support our goal to ensure the attack on our ship is finally subjected to the complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation that routinely follows an attack of this kind but has been denied the attack on the USS Liberty,
that the Department of Defense has conducted five investigations into the death of Pat Tillman but refuse to conduct a single investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty.
We don’t care who did the attacking. The attack deserves to be investigated.
Warmest regards,
Joe Meadors
I was on another site and someone mentioned this. I knew where to come for the truth. I found on another site that there were 5 US submarines near this ship. Does anyone know if this is true? If this ship were over there when a war was going on, just what did they expect to occur? I have forgotten the details of this attack.
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