Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?

http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam ^ | Raymond Ibrahim

[ventanax5]

“There is far more violence in the Bible than in the Qur’an; the idea that Islam imposed itself by the sword is a Western fiction, fabricated during the time of the Crusades when, in fact, it was Western Christians who were fighting brutal holy wars against Islam.” So announces former nun and self-professed “freelance monotheist,” Karen Armstrong. This quote sums up the single most influential argument currently serving to deflect the accusation that Islam is inherently violent and intolerant: All monotheistic religions, proponents of such an argument say, and not just Islam, have their fair share of violent and intolerant scriptures, as well as bloody histories. Thus, whenever Islam’s sacred scriptures — the Qur’an first, followed by the reports on the words and deeds of Muhammad (the Hadith) — are highlighted as demonstrative of the religion’s innate bellicosity, the immediate rejoinder is that other scriptures, specifically those of Judeo-Christianity, are as riddled with violent passages. …

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Read about the conflict before equating them to WW-2 battles.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/nlft.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/758342.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4190570.stm

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/Nlft.htm

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Back again for some more, I see.

Make arguments that stand, and you might have a chance... rather than running away like a coward each time you get thrashed, and then crawling back here on all fours to make an idiotic comment and then running away again... ad nauseum.

What is it, the fourth time you said you were going to go away, now? LOL!

[wintertime]

Something to do with heathen unbelievers who refused to accept the truth.
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Well?....Thankfully, brave Christian soldier forced the imperialistic Japanese to see the “truth”. The world is better off for it.

[Jewbacca]

“The Nazis were into some pagan stuff - Witchcraft, etc, in pursuit of supernatural power to expand their earthly power.”

Correct. Basic return to proto-German paganism.

[Jewbacca]

Funny, you are defeated but are too stupid to realize it, and keep claiming victory

Reminds me of arabs.

[Cvengr]

The violence of evil, which allows injustice, unrighteousness, fear, and selfishness is countered by the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace through faith in Christ.

[swarthyguy]

>>Reminds me of arabs.

really, that kind of anti semitism is uncalled for.

[Jewbacca]

Fair enough.

I was specifically thinking about the arab spokesman for Hamas-controlled Judea who kept saying Hamas defeated the IDF in the recent conflict.

Couldn’t rememeber his name.

[Cvengr]

"You are incapable of explaining why there isn’t a progressive, exponential increase in genetic defects, among humans today."

Obviously, you haven't visited West Virginia recently. /sarcasm off, but on a serious note, the argument previously presented doesn't entail continuous birth defects in the soulish or physical domain with repetitive sin, although one might make a well justified case that those who dwell in sexual immorality find certain side-effects associated with those decisions which are very real, physically and mentally, for the unrepentant sinner as well as the repentant sinner.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Well?....Thankfully, brave Christian soldier forced the imperialistic Japanese to see the “truth”. The world is better off for it.

 

Don't make it a luxury to forget the contribution of these forgotten souls:

 

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/History/WW2/70-Glimpses.html

 

July 10, 1944. 5th Maratha Regiment's Yeshwant Ghadge, all of 22, was caught in a mortal combat in the Upper Tiber Valley of Italy. Except for his commander, his platoon had been wiped out by enemy machine-gunners. With no alternative left, Ghadge rushed the machine gun nest, lobbing grenades, knocking off the gun and the gunner. He charged, shot another enemy. With no time to change his magazine, Ghadge clubbed to death two remaining enemy gunners. Ghadge finally fell to an enemy sniper.

India's memories of the World War II are made of such tales of exceptional valour. Fought for the British masters, it was India's biggest and worst war.

 

Umrao Singh had held onto an advanced gun position against four assaults by Japanese troops.

Despite injuries from two grenade attacks, Singh fought on. When he was discovered hours later, bodies of 10 Japanese were lying around him.

Though the war was not India's, Indians were among the most heroic, borne out by the fact that they won over 4,000 gallantry awards, among them almost 20 Victoria Crosses.

 

Abdul Hafiz, 9th Jat Infantry, of the British Indian Army and was posted to Imphal, to defend the northeast borders where the Japanese were pushing in.

Just 25, and a Jemadar under British officers, Hafiz led a charge up a bare slope and then up a steep cliff despite machine-gun fire.

He pressed on, eliminated the enemy who vastly outnumbered Hafiz's platoon, but succumbed to his injuries.

Hafiz was awarded the Victoria Cross for the last act of his life.

 

Similar was the story of 22-year-old Yeshwant Ghadge whose act of exceptional courage came in the Upper Tiber Valley of Italy on July 10, 1944.

His entire section, except the commander, were killed or wounded from machine gun fire. Ghadge rushed to the machine gun location, throwing grenade and knocking off the machine gun and its firer and then shot another.

With no time to change his magazine, Ghadge clubbed to death two other remaining members of the machine gun crew. Ghadge like thousands of his Indian counterparts too fell to an enemy sniper and died.

Many of the Indian VCs were won in Burma and other regions of India's northeast.

If the Japanese forces, along with Bose's Indian National Army, had succeeded in their efforts to push into India the World War II would have had a different meaning for Indians.

Some of Independent India's great warriors too were World War II veterans.

Marshal of the Indian Air Force Arjan Singh earned his first recognition as an outstanding flier in the World War II.

Stationed at Imphal valley, his unit played a key role in resisting a siege. Singh was awarded the Dinstinguished Flying Cross by Lord Mountbatten, the then chief of the South East Asia Command.

While Indians played a pivotal role in safeguarding the northeast and Burma, they were also valiantly in action in places as far as Africa.

The Fifth Indian Division fought against the Italians in Sudan, and against the Germans in Libya.

Indians also played a critical role in protecting the Iraqi oilfields, which had by then become a key installation for the British Empire.

The Fifth Division also was part of the occupational force of Malaya. And later it went to Java to disarm the Japanese troops.

The Fourth Indian Division fought in North Africa, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus and then in Italy.

World War II was also the only occasion when the American troops were ever stationed in Indian soil.

They were deployed all over Northeast, and some units were even based in New Delhi. WW II veterans recall the lavish lifestyles of the Americans, who earned more than even British soldiers.

The Americans also played key role in flying supplies from Calcutta (now Kolkata), Karachi and other ports to Burma, China and other theatres of war in the region.

They also played an important role in developing road network in the northeast.

India was a cultivation base for upping supplies for the Allies.

Across the country rationing and shortages were felt.

In Calcutta the great famine of 1943, triggered by rice disease brown spot, was accentuated by the war-time shortages. An estimated 3,000,000 people died in the famine.

The war's crippling impact on British Empire eventually helped speed up India's freedom.

But as is wont in India, the legacy of the 2.5 million Indian braves has lost the battle to neglect.

India's only living Victoria Cross winner of WW II, Honorary Captain Umrao Singh, 85 gets a meager Rs 80 as monthly pension.

Umrao Singh had held onto an advanced gun position against four assaults by Japanese troops.

Despite injuries from two grenade attacks, Singh fought on. He held the gun pit until dawn, and was found face down in the mud surrounded by ten lifeless Japanese soldiers and holding a hand-spike he had used in hand-to-hand combat. Singh survived and was awarded the Victoria Cross.

 

 

 

 

Khukris unsheathed, Gurkha troops charge the enemy lines in Burma.

 

 

 

Indian soldiers storm a German trench, after exploding it with hand grenades.

 

 

 

A Lt Colonel from the 20th Indian Division accepts the formal surrender of a Japanese Commander at Saigon, Vietnam, in September 1945.

 

 

 

A group from the 152nd Para Battalion displaying the Japanese flag they captured at Tangkhul Hundung. ( Photograph: Bharat-Rakshak.com )

 

An RAF NCO helps an Indian airman to load the ammunition belts into the chutes built into the undercarriage leg fairing.  Some detail of the Universal bomb carrier fixed to the stub wing can be seen in this image.

 

 

 

 

Khukris unsheathed, Gurkha troops charge the enemy lines in Burma.

 

 

 

Indian soldiers storm a German trench, after exploding it with hand grenades.

 

 

 

A Lt Colonel from the 20th Indian Division accepts the formal surrender of a Japanese Commander at Saigon, Vietnam, in September 1945.

 

 

 

A group from the 152nd Para Battalion displaying the Japanese flag they captured at Tangkhul Hundung. ( Photograph: Bharat-Rakshak.com )

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Funny, you are defeated but are too stupid to realize it, and keep claiming victory

This from someone who shut his trap when s/he was corrected on the fact about the NAZIS winning the elections, and then repeatedly saying s/he was getting out of here, and yet persisting in getting back to get thrashed some more... Hmmm!

[SJackson]

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[Jewbacca]

See, that’s a classic example of your lie and distraction strategy in one.

The point is that that core Nazis were pagans (which is undisputed), and you distract with the lie that they “won” the election, which they did not, having only a plurality.

Then, you like Bagdad Bob, claim “victory.”

The more important issue is why you hate people of any Abrhamic religion so much.

Clearly you have an issue with G-d.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

The point is that that core Nazis were pagans (which is undisputed), and you distract with the lie that they “won” the election, which they did not, having only a plurality.

Prove it.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

–Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

[Hank Kerchief]

“And yet it still requires faith in the nature of things unseen.”

Just curious about what you might be talking about. If something is “unseen,” meaning, “there is no evidence for it at all,” then there is nothing to believe about it at all. It just isn’t.

On the other hand, I know a great many things that are “unseen” and “non-physical” and they require no faith at all. I know I’m alive, but I cannot see my “life,” I know I’m conscious but cannot see my “consciousness,” and I know I can “think” and “choose” but I cannot see my “mind” or my “volition.”

What else did you have in mind?

Hank

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The Bible is such a mix of different writers and points of view.

The warlike spirit of Exodus and the severity of Leviticus are undercut by the later books.

One can't really say that of the Koran. There's just what Muhammed wrote.

Moreover, there are different forms of interpreting scripture in the different religion and different forms of interpretive authority.

Islam tends towards fundamentalism because there isn't a hierarchy or center to authorize interpretations.

So without getting into what the essence of this or that religion is, I'd say that right now Islam tends to be more violent.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

The more important issue is why you hate people of any Abrhamic religion so much.

I don't, really. See the other thread where I was defending the Jews at length. Then get back.

I cannot resist ridiculing people subscribing to one mythology, deriding another.

First, you rallied around the Judaism banner, then the "Judaeo-Christian" banner, and now you've incorporated the Muslims to rally under the "Abrahamic religion" banner, merely a single post after making a slanderous remark against the latter's founding race.

[Hank Kerchief]

“The denial and removal of God from society is a pre-requisite for total statism.”

You conveniently forget all the religious kingdoms of history (which were all totalitarian) as well as the Holy Roman Empire.

Hank

[Jewbacca]

What, don’t you have the History Channel? Watch the movie, at least:

http://www.amazon.com/Occult-History-Third-Reich/dp/B00020HC72

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/heinrich_himmler.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3014581497309209211&hl=en

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Just imagine thos kingdoms and empires, but not armed with knives and horses, but with tanks, machine-guns, missiles, submarines and combat aircraft.