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To: Ramius

“And yet it still requires faith in the nature of things unseen.”

Just curious about what you might be talking about. If something is “unseen,” meaning, “there is no evidence for it at all,” then there is nothing to believe about it at all. It just isn’t.

On the other hand, I know a great many things that are “unseen” and “non-physical” and they require no faith at all. I know I’m alive, but I cannot see my “life,” I know I’m conscious but cannot see my “consciousness,” and I know I can “think” and “choose” but I cannot see my “mind” or my “volition.”

What else did you have in mind?

Hank


155 posted on 06/08/2009 3:44:21 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
Just curious about what you might be talking about.

Well, for example: Faith in what you believe will happen with your "life" or your "consciousness" when you die. Some believe that nothing happens, that is... it just stops and your consciousness ceases to be. Some others believe that something new happens and there is continued existence of some kind. Either way it is merely faith. There is no evidence that can be presented either way. Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. Atheists rely on the same faith as believers. Just faith in a different result.

167 posted on 06/08/2009 4:13:38 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Hank K,...faith is a system of perception of spiritual things. They are very real. They can have impact on the material domain, and upon thoughts, so they may intrude upon the physical and the mental, but they still are not seen.

Those who are not spiritually regenerated do not understand because they lack that perception.


178 posted on 06/08/2009 7:12:15 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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