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1 posted on 06/06/2009 7:06:37 PM PDT by Coleus
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Is there now a law against unzipped sweatshirts?


2 posted on 06/06/2009 7:12:20 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Coleus

Aside from whether the guy deserved the beat-down or not, or was actually beaten or not, the video does show some interesting interactions:
1.) Rios’ partner doesn’t think the incident is out of the ordinary
2.) The woman with the baby carriage who walks by doesn’t think the incident is out of the ordinary
3.) The arrival of the other cop car has an effect.


3 posted on 06/06/2009 7:14:45 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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“Cops are here to protect us. How can they be protecting us when they beat us?”

Beat us? If it was up to the liberals, he'd be put to sleep.

8 posted on 06/06/2009 7:28:19 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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“When I heard his name and saw this, ‘I thought Oh my God, it’s him again.’ This time it’s on videotape,” she said.

Justice delayed is not justice denied. This unglued police officer needs to lose his job.

I'm glad the lady spoke up and maybe there will be some justice for her too.

9 posted on 06/06/2009 7:30:26 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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Nothing new here just you everyday run of the mill cop being a thug, happens every day somewheres.


10 posted on 06/06/2009 7:32:16 PM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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the cop doing the beating should not only be discharged from his position and lose his benefits, he should also have his hands pulverized with a sledge hammer. the cop is a thug.


11 posted on 06/06/2009 7:34:54 PM PDT by fortunate sun (Tell me what books you want to ban and I'll tell you what type of politics you hold.)
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“I remember him saying ‘Get down’ and swinging,” Holloway said. “I didn’t think I’d see tomorrow.”

Sorry, but this doesn't sound like someone who is mentally disabled. I don't know who was right or wrong here, but my BS/spinmeter is pinging right about now....

13 posted on 06/06/2009 7:37:16 PM PDT by csense
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The cop is an a$$hole with a badge. I hope he is fired and charged with assault.
14 posted on 06/06/2009 7:37:41 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (The ground at Arlington is moving & shaking.)
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More Video.....
16 posted on 06/06/2009 7:48:16 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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19 posted on 06/06/2009 7:54:54 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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I noted a common error: “Police are here to protect us.”

Is that really the case? In a manner of speaking, police only protect us in the way executing a murderer protects us. The murderer is already in prison, so the execution is more a deterrent to others—no real protection to the person murdered, or to the public as a whole to any great degree beyond imprisonment.

It’s a matter of timing. If the police show up before the criminal and prevent the criminal from committing the crime, they are “protecting” us. But otherwise, they are not protecting, but avenging, trying to arrest the criminal after they have committed the crime.

And this is a good argument for gun rights. “There is never a cop around when you need one”, is often the case. It’s not the fault of the police, it just means this is too big a place for police to be everywhere.

So while the police can’t protect us, guns can.


24 posted on 06/06/2009 8:31:32 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Looks like officer Rio is using the public to sublimate some past life stress, or is working off stress he feels in the course of his day at work.

I’m pretty sure he is in the wrong line profession.


25 posted on 06/06/2009 8:31:36 PM PDT by gaijin
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I’ll fully support any law enforcement officer, duly enforcing the law in a just manner. If this man had been resisting arrest, or had even mouthed off at the officer, I might have some degree of understanding. But, he wasn’t, and I don’t. He’s a thug with a badge, and should be brought up on charges himself and removed from the police force.


26 posted on 06/06/2009 8:34:46 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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The officer is just using the guy for physical training as a punching bag. Nothing wrong with that. If the cop could afford to buy a gym membership and get a decent workout he wouldn’t need to beat the black guy. Ya gotta bulk up where you can.

Police need more money for gym memberships. Lets give them a raise. /sarcasm obviously.


31 posted on 06/06/2009 9:24:55 PM PDT by Alex Kida
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He said he was taking his nightly walk when Rios and at least one other officer passed by him in their cruiser and asked him to zip his sweatshirt, which he said he had unzipped because he felt warm

And the cop stopped and beat beat the guy for this?, This cop should't be fired,he should be publicly horsewhipped

33 posted on 06/06/2009 9:37:18 PM PDT by Charlespg
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wandering with the intent to purchase narcotics

WTH?

36 posted on 06/06/2009 11:16:57 PM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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ACLU Report


42 posted on 06/08/2009 12:36:07 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Coleus; SWAMPSNIPER; worst-case scenario; Morgana; pray4liberty; org.whodat

UPDATE-
http://www.examiner.com/x-2446-North-Jersey-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d8-Passaic-police-beating-is-an-isolated-incident-period

A speeded-up video of a cop beating a seemingly defenseless man doesn’t prove law enforcement nationwide is unleashed and barbaric. In fact, several officers aren’t happy with what they’ve seen of the footage from the urban hellhole known as the City of Passaic.

“From watching the video, it didn’t even look like the guy was a threat to the officer regardless if he was obeying commands or not,” said one. “And I’m not sure where they got the resisting arrest charge out of that. The guy didn’t even fight back. All you needed was one compliance hold and he would have been cuffed.”

I have never relied on anonymous source for facts, and never will. In this case, officers sworn to protect and serve the public have been sharing feelings, emotions, and visceral responses — not facts. Their names aren’t necessary.

To some, the entire incident is revolting. To others, it just doesn’t make sense.

“A complete embarassment, to his dept. and all fellow officers of this state,” one New Jersey officer wrote in a forum posting.

Of course, many are steering clear of the fray, the way that Officer Joseph J. Rios III’s partner walked away while he punched and beat Ronnie Holloway with his baton on May 29.

And while there appears to be irrefutable evidence — recorded by a camera at a nearby tavern — neither she nor Rios have had their part of the story aired publicly. (Photo above is from a video posted on YouTube. Click here to see the actual video from NorthJersey.com.)

“Without the audio and video moving faster then normal speed its hard to tell if excessive force was used,” one New Jersey law enforcement officer said. “He turned on [the] Officer and he was approached to be placed in cuffs and with the street light there blocking partial view.

“We don’t need to jump the gun here.”

Indeed, Holloway — after being forced to the ground — gets back up. Playing devil’s advocate here: That may have been a signal to Rios that he was in danger.

The Passaic County Prosecutor’s Office is investigating the incident, following an internal affairs review in the department. Rios, a seven-year veteran, remains on desk duty.

But some people apparently have made up their minds.

“It certainly [does] appear like some kind of brawl, not an officer trying to control and take somebody into custody,” one officer said.

“He should start putting a resume together quickly,” another added.

Others have turned their attention to Rios’s partner, Erica Rivera.

“How are you going to just stand there while your partner is wrestling with a guy?” one officer asked. “And she even turned her back on him and got back in the car.”

“She could have helped her partner by getting him secured,” said another.

Yet another officer insisted “We are supposed to get involved and do everything feasible to prevent it.”

It’s been suggested that Rivera steered clear out of confusion about what to do — she can’t pile on and she’s not about to risk either her or her partner’s life by pulling him off. Yet some believe she should have acted as soon as it seemed things had gotten out of hand.

The video shows Rivera calling in on a hand radio and then reaching inside the patrol car. When she emerges, she paces back and forth, as if waiting for backup.

However, she also turns her back on what’s happening.

This “sends a message,” one officer said, to the various passersby who can be seen in the video.

Holloway reportedly said he was just walking along, his sweatshirt open on a warm night, when one of the officers asked him to zip it. The rest is on the silent, stuttering video.

His mother said she told police after the incident that he was schizophrenic and relied on medication. Yet, she said, they released him from the hospital soon after and allowed him to walk home.

There are those who defend Rios, including a fellow Passaic County officer who wrote:

“For the record, ‘Resisting Arrest’ is not just when a subject is fighting an Officer. Refusing to obey verbal commands, stiffening your body, putting your hands in your pocket, lowering your center of gravity, assuming a fighting stance, possessing a menacing demeanor on your face, refusing to get/stay on the ground (Instead, he got back up), while saying [something threatening], in a totality of the circumstances, regardless if he was fighting the male Officer or not, more than constitutes ‘Resisting Arrest!’”

Still, all agree, authorities need to review the incident thoroughly, respond promptly, and explain their decisions clearly.

“The video of this incident is extremely disconcerting,” Mayor Alex Blanco said in a statement on Saturday, after 150 people rallied outside Passaic City Hall, calling for Rios to be fired.”[B]ut I urge the community to withhold judgment until a complete investigation of the incident is concluded and reviewed by independent law enforcement officials.”


43 posted on 06/09/2009 7:07:44 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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