Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)

Bliefnet ^ | June 1, 2009 | Steven Waldman

[Zakeet]

I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.

But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.

First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.

SnakeDoc:
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.

Patriot preacher:
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.

Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:

upchuck:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.

gridlock:
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...

jazminerose:
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?

Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:

imahawk:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.

Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.

calico_thompson:
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.

Gaffer:
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.

TheDuke:
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)

Slump Tester:
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.

SampleMan:
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.

babygene:
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...

Cheetahcat:
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.

Ahithophel:
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.

UnwashedPeasant:
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?

steve86:
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?

eccentric:
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.

353FMG:
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.

mrsmel:
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.

and from another thread:

Canedawg:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.

Glenn:
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?

Flintlock:
I tried to get upset about this.
I failed.
My bad, I guess.

stockpirate:
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.

and this thread:

Lexington Green:
What goes around...

newfreep:
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

IDRATHERNOT:
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.

wardaddy:
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil

Sloth:
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.

The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.

wardaddy:
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.

whatisthetruth:
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.

P-Marlowe:
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.

mjp:
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.

tips up:
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.

gscc:
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.

MichiganConservative:
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.

[Constitution Day]

Hey, newbie, Minn has been here for ten years.

Don’t insult your betters.

[abishai]

And this was my post:

"It's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards."

This is your standard. Yet you you take 37 quotes from a website with 300,000 registered members to paint them as vicious crazy nuts. You are being either inconsistent or unfair.

"I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments."

I don't believe you.

"One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists."

And Steven Waldman just plucked comments to label FreeRepublic as a bad website.

Since this is only one article of yours I will refrain judgment on whether I think you have an agenda or not.

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways...."

[Shaun_MD]

“DLTDHYOTWO”

Very insightful.

[P-Marlowe]

Thanks Jeff.

I do understand that these pictures can turn a heart. But to be honest, I really don’t want to see any more, as I have already been convinced of the holocaust.

I will tell you that if any of those pictures end up in my inbox, I’m probably going to hit the abuse button. I don’t want to have to look at that every time I go to view my comments.

[Minn]

How you like them apples?

Translation: Duh, yous better duh not duh bring us duh down duh when we's duh cellebratting duh a duh murder duh.

[onedoug]

God Bless the murdered children.

[beandog]

Longevity does not make one better. Otherwise, Robert Bryd would be the best senator.

[Constitution Day]

Your opinion has been noted and ignored.

[beandog]

I guess facts are sometimes best ignored for some people.

[muawiyah]

Unfortunately for your argument, Minn made the ultimate transgression ~ she advocated PERMANANT CENSORSHIP of many long term Freepers by the management.

I rarely ask that such an act be taken reserving my wrath only for the Obama Truth Squad people who sign up here and try to "guide" our discussions with their party line soundbytes.

That's why I am merely being obnoxious to Minn ~ she's been here a while, should know better, and can probably bear up under all her perceived embarrassment (which is faked I am sure). She and Wildman might think the RTL folks on FR should pause a minute and celebrate the life of George Tiller, but I don't think so!

[dennisw]

I refuse to play the liberal game that Tiller was a sane, normal member of the community who should mourned.

[bereanway]

One of the arguments made by the advocates of abortion is that it is really not a child at the point the abortion is performed. It’s simply a clean, surgical procedure where a blob of matter is scraped off the uterine lining by doctors behind white-washed walls.

I too found the graphic to be offensive, but it’s the truth of what Tiller and others are engaged in. After seeing the above I find it difficult to believe anyone could praise Tiller for the work he did as so many including the President have done.

I find Holocaust pictures of emaciated bodies piled high on top of one another to be sickening, but it reminds me of just how evil, evil really is. The pro-aborts don’t want these pictures seen (and I don’t like to see them) because they are disgusting and because they expose evil for what it really is.

I really believe that if more Americans saw the above the tide which is shifting against the pro-aborts would become a tidal wave.

[prismsinc]

Before we start flailing around suspicions of motives & agendas and then labeling anyone as “unstable”, I suggest we find out who here posting on this thread have children, because I can tell you, looking at that picture, and then looking at my 2 year old twins is enough to make me UNSTABLE!

[gridlock]

In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:...

I guess two is a startling large number...

As one of the two, let me say that my comments were ill considered and could have been phrased better. Under the Sotomayor Rule, that means I'm off the hook.

[Minn]

Are you all teary eyed about Roeder performing a late term abortion on Tiller?

No. I'm all teary eyed about the complete scum bag idiot that thought he could do anything positive about the situation by shooting an abortionist. I'm aghast that, fourteen years after Oklahoma City (which is still used like a club by the left), anybody with a brain bigger than a pea would be unable to see the obviously huge negative consequences of this act. Further, I'm crying rivers that people that consider themselves prolife are revealing themselves to be such incredibly childish detriments to the cause. Nobody that truly cares about changing the laws to protect the unborn can be anything other than horrified by this act. It strengthens the political hand of those seeking to keep abortion easy, cheap and tax payer funded.

So the question is: are you people cheering this act really prolife with a true interest in the political and cultural change necessary to repeal RVW and vastly reduce abortion? Or, are you just overgrown children that really don't give a flying fig about real progress, and instead enjoy the hell out of events like this, as if your favorite team just put one up on the scoreboard?

[Constitution Day]

I do agree with her statements that some of the above comments are damaging to conservatism. I’m sorry you don’t see it that way.

[palmer]

I refuse to play the liberal game that Tiller was a sane, normal member of the community who should mourned.

However, murder is wrong and this murder was not in any gray area.

[P-Marlowe]

Or, are you just overgrown children that really don't give a flying fig about real progress, and instead enjoy the hell out of events like this, as if your favorite team just put one up on the scoreboard?

Real progress?

There have been no late term abortions in Kansas since 5/31/09.

[gridlock]

Thanks for the ping.

[Cicero]

Agreed. We should avoid giving the opposition free soundbytes, but we should also avoid stupid self-censorship. It’s always going to be possible for those liars on the left to take some remark out of context and run with it.

I see that I’m not quoted here, I presume because I think I split the difference in my posts on this subject, something to the effect of “Tiller was an evil, baby-killing scum, but murder is wrong.” I guess that wasn’t convenient for quoting.

I must say that it seems to me that those who called the shooting of Killer Tiller a very late term abortion were making a perfectly apt if dark joke in the circumstances. What goes around comes around.