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Analysis of Barry Hall’s Research of the E. coli ebg Operon (adaptive mutations are not evolution!)
AiG ^ | June 3, 2009 | Georgia Purdom, Ph. D. and Kevin L. Anderson, Ph .D.

Posted on 06/03/2009 10:13:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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Adaptive mutation throws a wrench into the evolution machine...

(Excerpt) Read more at answersingenesis.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creaetion; creation; evolution; intelligentdesign; science

1 posted on 06/03/2009 10:13:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

On the technical side, but worth the read...ping!


2 posted on 06/03/2009 10:14:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 06/03/2009 10:18:34 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
Mutations in the Ebg system are clearly not an example of evolution but mutation and natural selection allowing for adaptation to the environment.

lolwhut?

4 posted on 06/04/2009 12:29:25 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze
lolwhut?

Darwinism is not Lamarckism.

5 posted on 06/04/2009 1:05:00 AM PDT by AndrewC (Metanoia)
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To: AndrewC
“mutation and natural selection allowing for adaptation to the environment” is not Lamarckism.

Lamarckism has nothing to do with “natural selection”, and everything to do with passing on characteristics acquired during lifetime.

But people with a tan do not give birth to tan children.

People who body-build do not give birth to more muscular children.

Marathon runners do not give birth to longer legged children.

If they did, THAT would be Lamarckism.

But natural selection of genetic variation derived by DNA mutation is 100% evolution through natural selection.

Once more showing the amazing explanatory and predictive power of Darwin's theory.

6 posted on 06/04/2009 6:10:50 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts
"Adaptive mutation throws a wrench into the evolution machine..."

Life certainly has some very complex systems and algorithms with multiple layers of information available for dealing with environmental challenges, but that doesn't mean that these systems, algorithms and information 'evolved'.

Assuming that what is observed supports 'evolution' is simply the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent.

7 posted on 06/04/2009 6:33:27 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: allmendream
But natural selection of genetic variation derived by DNA mutation is 100% evolution through natural selection.

Noooo, that would be genetic mutation, adaptation, etc. and nothing more.

Once more showing the amazing explanatory and predictive power of Darwin's theory.

Put down the liberal cultist kool-aid allmendream. Nothing is "shown", other than you desperately need a cult deprogrammer!

8 posted on 06/04/2009 11:57:41 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts
Lamarckism has nothing to do with “natural selection”, and everything to do with passing on characteristics acquired during lifetime.

What do you think the word "adaptation" means? And before you go on commenting on my statements, answer those I have posed to you.

P.S. From Adaptive Mutation

In 1988, John Cairns, Julie Overbaugh and Stefan Miller published a paper suggesting that some mutations in E. coli could arise in a Lamarckian fashion in response to the presence of a particular compound.

Their paper was controversial, to say the least. However, the phenomenon that they observed spurred much research that has led to a new understanding of mutagenesis and the dynamic nature of the stationary phase of cell growth.

9 posted on 06/04/2009 1:14:16 PM PDT by AndrewC (Metanoia)
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To: AndrewC
Adaption that Lamarck was talking about is that one can pass along an AQUIRED characteristic rather than a characteristic being either selected for or against.

Most mutations are introduced during replication, so either the individual HAS the variation being selected for or against or it does not; the individual does not have the ability to acquire mutations as needed.

Adaptation at a genetic level has to do with how DNA is packaged, some regions being under higher transcription in some individuals subjected to some stresses more than others.

10 posted on 06/04/2009 1:41:12 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; GodGunsGuts
Most mutations are introduced during replication, so either the individual HAS the variation being selected for or against or it does not; the individual does not have the ability to acquire mutations as needed.

Umm, that is what these experiments are about. You evidently have not read the article.

Although wild-type ebg ß-gal is not functionally redundant to lac ß-gal, it is possible that the regulation of backup genes may involve activating mutation mechanisms (such as those leading to the hypermutable state in bacteria—see appendix). This would result in mutations in backup genes that lead to proteins that can perform the same function as the proteins from essential genes. Possibly ebgA serves as a backup gene for several essential genes and the most flexibility within the system is achieved by altering ebgA in accordance with the particular essential gene that has been inactivated.

11 posted on 06/04/2009 2:30:52 PM PDT by AndrewC (Metanoia)
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To: AndrewC

In my experience, Allmendream only reacts to creation science papers, he does not actually read them.


12 posted on 06/04/2009 2:38:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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