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Will U.S. Jews Stand With Israel - Or Obama?
The Jewish Press ^ | 6/3/'09 | Jonathan Braun

Posted on 06/03/2009 1:43:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

American Jews overwhelmingly voted for Barack Obama, the Candidate of Change, despite credible warnings and ample evidence that he would obsessively seek to create a Palestinian state at Israel's expense and "engage" nuclear-arming, Islamist Iran.

After four months of Change, Obama's support in the Jewish community seems rock solid. Besides, many Jews say, Obama's appointment of two Jews to key White House positions - Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff and David Axelrod as presidential senior adviser - proves Obama is OK for Israel. So what if the meeting with Netanyahu didn't go as well as first advertised? Bibi's a right-winger, anyway. Under Obama, there was a kosher Passover Seder in the White House. Progress! Hope! Change!

Hmm. The head-spinning, stomach-turning developments make this lifelong Jewish supporter of Israel think Hitler made two big blunders in his quest for world domination. He attacked the Soviet Union - and he did not invite American Jewish leaders to a catered kosher lunch in Berlin before the war.

Seriously. Had Hitler been able to hide his fanatical hatred of Jews for only a few hours, he might have been able to mobilize liberal American Jewish opinion in favor of a policy of appeasement toward Nazi Germany - perhaps, even, a formal pledge of non-interference in Germany's internal affairs.

Admittedly, a free kosher lunch might not have been enough to win over the so-called Jewish leaders. The Nazi madman probably would have had to appoint a Jewish adviser (on Jewish affairs, say) to accomplish his aim.

A high-level Jewish adviser - yes! That would have worked wonders for the Fuhrer. The Jewish leaders would have returned home to reassure their concerned fellow Jews and the American media that Hitler had no intention of starting a war, regardless of Germany's ominous rearmament and military buildup; that he was instead interested in forging a closer relationship between Germany and the United States, one that could possibly even lead to an alliance of some sort to preserve peace in Europe.

As for "the Jewish Problem," the American Jewish bigwigs would have said that while some Jews were indeed suffering in Germany, there really was room for progress - quietly, of course, behind the scenes. Quiet, patient, principled diplomacy - that's the ticket!

And so it would have gone. Dialogue and diplomacy are the answers, the Jewish leaders would have said; no sanctions, no big, public protests - they would only make matters worse for Germany's Jews and needlessly antagonize the Nazis. No talk of armed intervention or future conflict, heaven forbid.

The impact of their meeting with Herr Hitler and call for engagement and dialogue would have been instant (or what passed for instant in the time before television and the Internet). Overnight, the brave minority warning of a rising, imperialist threat across the ocean would have been marginalized -maybe forever. Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, there could have been a crucial decision by the U.S. government to avoid or delay declaring war on Germany as well as Japan, perhaps accompanied by a presidential speech reminding the public of Germany's great contributions to Western civilization and culture and to the shaping of American society.

Though the anti-Semitic rabble - the foot soldiers in armbands and jackboots and white sheets - would have been appalled by Hitler's meeting with Jewish leaders, the Fuhrer's more sophisticated American supporters and sympathizers would have understood his diabolically clever move. Influential isolationists and fascists - the Pat Buchanans of that era - would have laughed all the way to the next America First or German American Bund (or Silver Shirts, or Black Legion, or Ku Klux Klan) rally.

The Roger Cohen of that day - there is always a Roger Cohen whenever and wherever Jewish communities are threatened with annihilation and persecution - would surely have written a series of articles for The New York Times about Jewish conditions in Germany being not so bad after all, despite the beatings and racial laws, the persecution and the humiliation, the incessant anti-Semitic propaganda. (In fact, the liberal Jewish columnist Walter Lippmann wrote approvingly of Hitler in the late 1920s, advising his readers that the Nazi leader would "moderate" his views upon achieving power.)

Obama is no Hitler. Obviously. God help us if that were the case. But Obama's policies and actions are giving new Hitlers - the leaders of Islamist Iran - time to develop nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles capable of destroying Israel and bringing America to its knees.

In other words, Obama's appeasement of Iran and betrayal of Israel is effectively helping to prepare the ground for a new Holocaust and a new world war.

And American Jews and Jewish organizations - seemingly slavishly bound to a Democratic Party with a left wing that now views the establishment of Israel as a mistake - are going along for the ride. American Jewish voters overwhelmingly chose Obama over John McCain, a proven friend of Israel, and they don't seem at all ready to jump ship. They are not even close to the exit ramp.

What will it take for American Jews to stand up and be counted? Would a call by Obama for a Palestinian capital in Jerusalem open their eyes? Probably not. In contrast with bible-believing Christians and observant Jews, liberal Jews are fashionably forsaking Israel's capital. Strong support for Israel is so yesterday ... so ... Bush/Cheney.

The time is fast approaching for American Jewry to decide between loyalty to a political party that bears no resemblance to that which their parents and grandparents adored for generations and their professed love of Israel whose security, along with the security of the United States, is being undermined by everything Obama is presently doing, has done, and plans to do.

With whom do you stand, American Jews - America and Israel or Obama and the Democratic Party?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: jewishvote; kapos; liberaldems; nostalgia; yellowdogs
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Evangelical Christians seem to care more deeply about Israel’s survival than some Jewish voters.

They do. As a matter of fact, the second American Jewish liberals learn that Israel is in the Bible with the Ten Commandments and the Six Days of Creation, they'll probably launch a campaign to do away with it.

61 posted on 06/03/2009 3:28:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamu 'et-shemi `al-Benei Yisra'el, va'Ani avarekhem.)
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To: Da Coyote

“If the Jews don’t support Israel, why should we?”

1. Ex-pats in Israel (or Israeli/American Jews such as myself) are overwhelmingly Republican.

2. Why should the Jews of Israel be punished because purported Jews in the USA don’t care about them? That would be like punishing Germany because most Lutherans voted for Obama. Makes not sense, in other words.

Or, perhaps you are a bigot who lumps all Jewish people together.


62 posted on 06/03/2009 3:30:26 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Fee

“Jews fear Jesus Christ more than a terrorist. That is why they cannot vote for the GOP because the Christian Coalition is part of its membership.”

Utter, unadulterated, nonsense.


63 posted on 06/03/2009 3:33:19 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I were you I wouldn't spend a great deal of time arguing with Romulus, Will.

Even though I am a backsliden Southern Baptist, I don't take a religious point-of-view in my support of Israel. They are a small democracy in a hostile part of the world and they deserve our support for many reasons, and the religious connections only give us more reasons to support her.

64 posted on 06/03/2009 3:33:32 PM PDT by Will88
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To: svcw

Baloney.


66 posted on 06/03/2009 3:36:35 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Will88
Even though I am a backsliden Southern Baptist, I don't take a religious point-of-view in my support of Israel. They are a small democracy in a hostile part of the world and they deserve our support for many reasons, and the religious connections only give us more reasons to support her.

And I'm a Theonomic positivist, which means that I regard G-d as the only real reason to support Israel, to oppose homosexuality, to not commit murder, or to get up in the morning.

67 posted on 06/03/2009 3:38:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamu 'et-shemi `al-Benei Yisra'el, va'Ani avarekhem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Baloney - what? That US Jews will stand with Barry or that in general US Jews are afraid of Christians?

Expand, baloney.

68 posted on 06/03/2009 3:38:33 PM PDT by svcw
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To: Yehuda
jinos stand with Ø.

Which means when the Rahmulan davens and bentches, he is lying.

Also whenever his lips are moving! ;)

One thing's for sure--he's no right wing Israeli nationalist, however much the media sold him as such.

69 posted on 06/03/2009 3:40:04 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamu 'et-shemi `al-Benei Yisra'el, va'Ani avarekhem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; ml/nj; rmlew; Shellybenoit; dennisw; OldFriend; montag813; SJackson; ...

This is a well-written satire by Jonathan Braun, although I would somewhat disagree with the statement that “Obama’s support in the Jewish community seems rock solid” at this point. From anecdotal reports, there appears to be a significant amount of “buyer’s remorse,” but I haven’t seen any recent credible polling data on this.


70 posted on 06/03/2009 3:43:47 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for your input on this, js. You always seem to know what’s really going on.


71 posted on 06/03/2009 3:47:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamu 'et-shemi `al-Benei Yisra'el, va'Ani avarekhem.)
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To: arbooz

Jackie Mason likes to make the observation that when you’re in the neighborhoods of NYC, the Italian guys that hang out with each other always look and act tough, they always intimidate everyone else - especially the generally meek and small Jews.

However, the history of this last century shows that this changes 180 degrees when you put a uniform on both sets of people.

Lets not also forget that a lot of the early mobsters were Jews.


72 posted on 06/03/2009 3:53:08 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: svcw

1. The baloney is the supposition that “Jews are afraid of Christians.”

First assuming, this is a theological point, I concede that a JINO (who is religiously defined as “not Christian”) may be threatened by Christian proselytizing attempts, in that said JINO has no religion of his own, and yet (if he or she is actually Jewish under the Law), he very soul (by its Jewish nature) cries out for the Divine — making him or her a complete sucker for whatever false religion comes along. This causes much mental stress.

A religious Jew of any seriousness (a “real” Jew, IMHO), in contrast, is not threatened, and, indeed, understands and is flattered by the effort. Mind you, it does not make it less annoying.

2. If the “fear” referred to is a physical fear of some kind of WWII redux, well, I think most Jews have reached the point that we will go down swinging, or at least the Jews of my acquantance will.

3. I do agree that most JINOs will stand with Barry. My experience with American Jews was when they came on visit to Israel (generally drunk high school girls from New Jersey who were an easy lay). Some are serious about Israel, but most view it as an interesting construct.


73 posted on 06/03/2009 3:55:19 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Obama=Hitler thus liberal Jews are dumbass' are always fun. Counterproductive, but we don't want those votes anyway....Take it up with the author (his e-mail addy is available at the source site).

I won't bother, there was a time I invited authors of articles I posted to comment here, but I don't any more. Though he's welcome to back up his assertations.

So, this is a political forum, think "conservatives" are winning any votes here? Or do you think we're simply reinforcing the stereotype that the right considers a bunch of disloyal dumass'.

I say disloyal because the underlying theme is that Jewish liberals, despite feeling that their policies are best for America, as do Christian liberals, should somehow vote for the GOP on the theory that opinions of what's best for America aside, they will vote for what's best for Israel.

74 posted on 06/03/2009 4:00:48 PM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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To: svcw
Baloney - what? That US Jews will stand with Barry or that in general US Jews are afraid of Christians?

They're afraid of Christians.

Myself, I shake when speaking to a Christian.

But BHO is a Christian, what am I to think.

75 posted on 06/03/2009 4:05:36 PM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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To: Jewbacca
My opinion only, but the idea that Jews vote for dems because they're afraid of Christians is a rather moronic construct of folk of both sides of the aisle, but more on the right, who don't want Jews to vote for the GOP.

Do you know Jews that are afraid of Christians? Does it ever enter the conversation?

IMO, complete stupidity, and a barrier getting Jews to identify with the right. The right, who tells them they're disloyal, and terrified of Christians. Per the thread.

76 posted on 06/03/2009 4:09:12 PM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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To: justiceseeker93
I haven’t seen any recent credible polling data on this.

Younger Jews do trend more Republican than the older generation. Bush won a third of Jews under 40 in 2004 according to an American Jewish Committee poll done before the election:

http://www.shalomctr.org/node/689

snip The Democratic stand-bearer did better among older age groups. Bush gained fully a third of the support of Jews under 40, while Kerry polled 59%; Jews ages 40 to 59 showed 25% support for Bush and 64% for Kerry; those 60 and older went 19% for Bush and 74% for Kerry. A separate poll of Russian Jews in New York showed majority support for Bush, Harris said. snip

77 posted on 06/03/2009 4:09:53 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: justiceseeker93
OK, if it's satire I missed it, but I'll go out and eat a Christian.

What makes you think it's satire?

78 posted on 06/03/2009 4:10:29 PM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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To: SJackson
So, this is a political forum, think "conservatives" are winning any votes here? Or do you think we're simply reinforcing the stereotype that the right considers a bunch of disloyal dumass'.

Well, your quarrel here is not with a FReeper but with the author of the article. He can be contacted at the source site.

79 posted on 06/03/2009 4:10:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vesamu 'et-shemi `al-Benei Yisra'el, va'Ani avarekhem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The problem with most liberal “US Jews” is that they would sell Israel out in a NY minute just to mainstream their secular souls.


80 posted on 06/03/2009 4:12:57 PM PDT by AdaGray (uw)
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