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Israelis growing increasingly anxious about Obama policies
McClatchy ^ | 6/2/09 | Cliff Churgin

Posted on 06/03/2009 7:55:32 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220

JERUSALEM — Sirens blared across Israel on Tuesday as the nation carried out its biggest-ever "doomsday" drill meant to simulate a catastrophic attack. The faux fears, however, were overshadowed by deepening anxiety in Jerusalem that Israel is heading for an unavoidable political showdown with President Barack Obama over the center-right government's refusal to stop building Jewish homes in the predominantly Palestinian West Bank. Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's largest daily newspaper, carried a front-page story Tuesday bluntly titled: "The American Threat." Its biggest competitor, Maariv, carried a bold headline: "Pressure." The building apprehension comes as Obama is preparing to make a direct appeal to the Islamic world in Cairo on Thursday that's widely seen as a chance for the U.S. to launch a new, more cooperative era with Arab nations in the Middle East. Central to the success of Obama's attempts to reshape America's image in the region will be a shift in U.S. policy toward Israel.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; jerusalem
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To: Bitsy

Suppose Iran nukes an Israeli target. Israel retaliates with several nukes. The rest of the Arab world decides it is time to settle with Israel once and for all. Obama decides to forsake Israel (a little hope and change there) and warns it against further use of nuclear weapons. The Arabs invade Israel and it is cast into a life and death struggle. If the Samson option is not used, Israel might be overrun. There is your hope and change.

I do not believe that Israel would be overrun and in the event, I do not believe they would withhold the Samson option. I also am ignoring divine intervention in this scenario. The one assumption here that I think is on the firmest ground is Obama’s stab in the back.


21 posted on 06/03/2009 9:13:14 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Thanks America’s Jews. You have stabbed Israel in the back to show how liberal you are.


22 posted on 06/03/2009 9:14:01 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
I do not believe that Israel would be overrun and in the event,

I didn't mean Israel's destruction, I meant how can Jews hate Israel? I don't like liberals but I certainly wouldn't want them or America destroyed (although liberals leaving the country is a nice vision). Surely, Jews read the Torah? And, even if they don't Israeli's are Jewish - they are their own people!

23 posted on 06/03/2009 9:30:31 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Bitsy
And, even if they don't Israeli's are Jewish - they are their own people!

Yes, and the Vichy government was French. Didn't stop them from turning on their own people, even in their own country!

24 posted on 06/03/2009 9:57:10 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: dennisw

I choose neutrality on Israel. The territorial claims are not clear to me. I reject the premise that anyone is “fighting for me”. That is too conveniently used as an excuse for warmongering. People fight for their own self-interest, if they have any idea why they are fighting at all.


25 posted on 06/03/2009 9:58:25 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for bipartisan-ness)
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To: gorilla_warrior

Were you ever pro Israel? Or have you always been neutral? Are you bothered about Muslims taking over Europe or is that not any of your business?


26 posted on 06/03/2009 10:07:36 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: dennisw
How does that apply to Israeli Jews? They are fighting the Muslims every day ...

Yes, faithful ones are, but there are a lot of Labor Party-loving liberal Israelis who really believe, much the same way that many German Jews did in the 1930s, you can achieve peace with those who hate you.

Jews are God's favored and chosen people but they consistently, IMHO, choose the wrong path to trod...Had they'd done what he commanded when they entered the Promised Land and carried out the Herem; there would be no violent, dangerous and militant Palestinians to oppose them today.

27 posted on 06/03/2009 10:09:51 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: meandog

You can cite any Bible verses you want but Israel is far from caving in. Netanyahu is the Prime Minister and he stared down 0bama the other day. You give Israelis too little credit. Israelis are on the front line every day with their Muslim enemies

American Jews are not single issue voters. They don’t vote only on Israel but unfortunately vote for liberals. I assure you most US Jews support Israel but are pulled in the wrong direction by their liberal ideas

Blacks didn’t elect 0bama.
Jews did not elect 0bama
America’s liberal white people gave 0bama his victory


28 posted on 06/03/2009 10:16:54 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: AFreeBird

Yes, and the Vichy government was French. Didn’t stop them from turning on their own people, even in their own country!

I know this happens throughout history but I just find it so hard to believe it about the Jewish people - having been persecuted for so long would long for the destruction of their own.


29 posted on 06/03/2009 10:18:43 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: meandog

Jews are God’s favored and chosen people but they consistently,.........

If you really feel that way then you should support Israel. Just in your own self interest you should support Israel. There is a Muslim drive for world domination and Jews are taking it on frontally. So are we in Iraq and Afganistan


30 posted on 06/03/2009 10:19:03 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: Bitsy

I know this happens throughout history but I just find it so hard to believe it about the Jewish people - having been persecuted for so long would long for the destruction of their own............

American Jews do not want Israel destroyed so what are you talking about? With 6 million Jews in America there are too few to elect an 0bama. Americans elected 0bama. Your neighbors and family elected 0bama


31 posted on 06/03/2009 10:23:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: dennisw
Blacks didn’t elect 0bama.
Blacks voted in the 90+ percentile for him...

Jews did not elect 0bama
Jews voted in the 80+ percentile for him...

America’s liberal white people gave 0bama his victory...
Probably 100 percent...of which Jewish voters make up a large percentage.

32 posted on 06/03/2009 10:26:43 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: meandog

There are 6 million Jews in America and 300 million Americans.

Tell me how they managed to get 0bama elected. The math ain’t there. Blacks are 11% of Americans and couldn’t elect 0bama either

White liberals and other whites elected 0bamma.


33 posted on 06/03/2009 10:30:01 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: dennisw
There is a Muslim drive for world domination and Jews are taking it on frontally. So are we in Iraq and Afganistan...

No argument here BUT do some history. Jews have always been reactive to aggression rather than proactive. From the 1967 War on through, it was Israel which was attacked, never being the attacker. It is a Jewish trait, it seems, to take the first punch rather than to deliver it.

34 posted on 06/03/2009 10:31:00 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: meandog
No argument here BUT do some history. Jews have always been reactive to aggression rather than proactive. From the 1967 War on through, it was Israel which was attacked, never being the attacker. It is a Jewish trait, it seems, to take the first punch rather than to deliver it.

Israel can obliterate Iranian nuclear program. But they will have to use ground penetrating nukes. Maybe this is the best way out

35 posted on 06/03/2009 10:34:11 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: dennisw
The aggregate white vote went 55 percent for the McCain/Palin ticket according the final analysis...so your general argument is somewhat specious.
36 posted on 06/03/2009 10:34:36 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: meandog

Jews have always been reactive to aggression ..........

They jammed into Gaza last fall and quieted down the missile/rocket bombardment. Was that reactive?
If you want Israel to take the initiative what do you suggest?


37 posted on 06/03/2009 10:36:26 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: dennisw

Most of them don’t like Israel anyway. So they Hope that Israel’s status will Change from existent to non-existent.

I was trying to understand the above comment - NOT saying Jews wanted the destruction of Israel....I got confused on what the blogger was saying and I was trying to get clear what they were saying, that’s all.


38 posted on 06/03/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Bitsy

OK

I know lots of liberal Jews who belive you me want Israel to survive. But they vote for 0bamma due to their liberal fixations


39 posted on 06/03/2009 10:52:17 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Suppose Iran nukes an Israeli target. Israel retaliates with several nukes. The rest of the Arab world decides it is time to settle with Israel once and for all...If the Samson option is not used, Israel might be overrun.

That's right. If Israel is hit with a debilitating nuclear or wmd attack, the militarys of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and probably Lebanon and Jordan would be destroyed. Perhaps Israel would wait for signs of mobilization, but not necessarily, since a successful attack would obviously represent a threat to Israel's nuclear capability.

40 posted on 06/03/2009 11:55:51 AM PDT by SJackson (in the fight against terrorism, no middle ground, half-measures leave you half-exposed, D. Cheney)
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