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Missing Jet: 'Fire' Spotted On Atlantic Ocean
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Posted on 06/01/2009 7:11:10 PM PDT by traumer

A commercial pilot has said he saw a "fire" on the Atlantic Ocean close to the route of a missing Air France plane.

The pilot, for TAMAirlines, said he spotted what appeared to be orange marks in the ocean near to where the jet went missing.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airbus; airfrance; france; missing; planecrash
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; Jet Jaguar

Specific to power, I would give the nod to Jet Jaguar’s explanation. However, specific to a computer or fiber optic problem on that Airbus, you’re screwed.


61 posted on 06/01/2009 8:36:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Previous threads indicated a problem with “tail separation”
in AB aircraft in response to severe stress loads.

Also, others hinted about composite contruction vs. metal when it comes to lighting strike resistance.

However, nearly everyone admits that this is first accident with this series of AB aircraft.


62 posted on 06/01/2009 8:38:09 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Jeff Chandler

There is when electrical, computer, fiber optic, or radio go down.

This plane had to be flown as a “fly by wire,” unlike the Boeing 777. Airbus played with the design enough to make it impossible to not have the computer control everything all the time.


63 posted on 06/01/2009 8:38:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: cammie
But wasn’t that flight crewless - a complete remote control test?

Hadn't heard that but it was when they first flew, so it could be.

64 posted on 06/01/2009 8:42:12 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (The devil made me do it!,.......................................................( well, not really.)
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To: ChinaThreat

“Tail strikes???”

I know the tails are made of carbon fiber which I do not trust. It is in Formula 1 cars and it is incredibly strong but it can shatter like...porcelain? or Corelle dinner plates.

I think the tail fin failed in bad weather or something.


65 posted on 06/01/2009 8:43:43 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: traumer
The Airbus(es) are very safe planes.

Until something goes drastically wrong...

66 posted on 06/01/2009 8:47:06 PM PDT by glock rocks (SEVERE at 2009: divide by zero error at HopeAndChange( ).injectCrisis( ).runDistraction()
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To: traumer

Just a few days ago I was watching a National Geographic
program about Airline crash investigations.
Even though I have been a private pilot and owned several
plans, this TV special scared the H out of me.

It was amazing how they recover most all of the pieces,
even from the sea floor, and put it all together.

There were total disasters caused by the simplest of
reasons, such as a short in the first class entertainment
system on an Air Canada? flight over the Atlantic.
It was a total loss, as the fire spread to the entire plane.
There were other examples of a simple valve failure throwing
the plane into violent uncontrollable rolls, crashing and killing all on board.

My last flights have been on Qatar Air A320s and A330s
between Vienna and Philippines.
No plans now to fly for quite some time.


67 posted on 06/01/2009 8:48:06 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Are there parachutes strapped to your seats, and do they eject?


68 posted on 06/01/2009 8:48:24 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: sionnsar

Prayers for their families as well.

We flew Air France a few years ago coming back from Europe. The flight attendants were wonderful and very kind.

I hope it was not the same crew.


69 posted on 06/01/2009 8:51:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: traumer

this is so awful


70 posted on 06/01/2009 8:55:53 PM PDT by RDTF ("I'm pretty sure this is a 2 man job once the shooting starts")
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To: ChinaThreat
Typical European engineering, elegant, effecient but flawed.

The Europeans do not know how, or care, to design seats that are of any comfort on overseas flights.

I used to do quite a few business trips from DC to Europe and while it got a little uncomfortable after nine to ten hours at least the Boeing aircraft were much better than the Airbus seats.

Half way over the pond in an Airbus and my butt would get numb.

71 posted on 06/01/2009 9:02:26 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: AlexW
such as a short in the first class entertainment system on an Air Canada? flight over the Atlantic.

That was Swiss Air flight 111.

72 posted on 06/01/2009 9:08:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

“That was Swiss Air flight 111. “

Thanks for the correction.
The program was so frightening, I did not keep track
of the airlines involved.


73 posted on 06/01/2009 9:16:04 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

The 2 from USA are from Houston...named Harris .


74 posted on 06/01/2009 9:19:42 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: traumer
The Airbus(es) are very safe planes.

I seem to recall several issues with them... situations where the software went nuts and nearly caused disasters. I believe they're MUCH less safe than Boeing's.

75 posted on 06/01/2009 9:20:44 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: cammie

No.

As I understand it, the flight was a “low pass” down the runway, and when the Captain added power for the go-around, the computers did not allow the engines to spool up, whereupon, the aircraft descended gracefully into the trees.

The computer programs were re-written.


76 posted on 06/01/2009 9:24:22 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: cammie

It was not a crewless remote control test. It was a charter flight at the air show. There 133 on board that aircraft. 3 died in the crash.


77 posted on 06/01/2009 9:24:25 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: omega4179; Not now, Not ever!; cammie

The A-330 that flew itself into the trees was “pilot error” as well, according to the (Airbus and European) investigators. The pilot denies it to this day.

Pilot error is the investigator’s default explanation when either they can’t figure it out, or there is a big enough problem that it will take years to fix, since they don’t want to alarm the public.


78 posted on 06/01/2009 9:29:08 PM PDT by Don W (People who think are a threat to socialism)
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To: OldMissileer
"Half way over the pond in an Airbus and my butt would get numb." Maybe the average US butt doesn't fit european seats.
79 posted on 06/01/2009 9:29:25 PM PDT by buzzer
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To: Southack

Interesting...


80 posted on 06/01/2009 9:39:53 PM PDT by Palladin (Obama hates unborn babies.)
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