I confess that I did not even flinch when I heard this news.
It is difficult to think that this scumbag’s life was worth more that the over 60,000 children he murdered.
This is what I tell my 2nd grade Sunday school class “going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger”.
I have a hard time believing, based on what he did for a living, he was right with God when his time came.
The people in that Lutheran church are hideously confused.
I honestly believe that anyone calling themselves “Christian” who would stand by and allow a member of their own church be an active participant in infanticide as this “church” did, is not a Church that God recognizes as His.
At the bare best, this “Reformation Lutheran Church” is guilty of being as the church at Thyatira (Revelation 3). And I am inclined to think much worse - such as the synagogue of Satan as described in Revelation 3... “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;”.
CHRISTIAN is not an adjective. It is an active noun.
Either you is ‘a Christ-like one’ or you is not. And to be a Christ-like one means you live His life.
No where do I find Jesus Christ performing an abortion, but I do find Him healing a woman with a blood disease, a blind man, ten lepers, a demonic man, an official’s child, another man’s servant . . . among many others.
WWJD? Jesus would not have killed Dr Tiller, but would have patiently waited for him to repent . . . just as He waited for “Jane Roe” and still waits for many others. Now, Dr Tiller will not get the chance to change his mind.
From the little I’ve heard, it appears that the LEFT wing Media is trying to make the Shooter out to be some “religious nut” who had mental health issues. I think someone classed him as a “domestic terrorist.”
Somehow . . . letters to the editor? . . . we need to counter that tag with something verifiable. To my knowledge he was NOT a member of this forum or of any other Conservative group.
What is the difference between assassinating Hitler and assassinating this man? 60,000 versus 6,000,000? that is the only difference that I can see.
Vengeance is the Lord’s. Yes it is. One death or six million, is the same. Life is precious, even the life of the monster who’s wife sings in the choir. What a screwed up family that must be.
The minister and Board of this church were only too happy to take Tiller’s money every week, and to reward him with a position as an usher.
Imagine the hands that gave you your bulletin each week being bathed in the blood of viable infants that he murdered.
What kind of “church” is this, that would not confront this evil?
The Pastor and Pastorette have something special to look forward to:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachNAsbU 2 Peter 2:1 .... just as there will also be false teachers
among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies,
even denying the Master who bought them, bringing
swift destruction upon themselves.
I object!
The art of surgery is an attempt to heal an illness or to repair an injury or defect.
Abortion is a murderous assault on an unborn person.
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Couple of interesting points I've thought since our conversation the other day:
1) From seeing what Martin Luther's personal views on abortion were on this thread, it's clear that the “Reformation Lutheran Church” in Witchia, Kansas wasn't following their namesake founder's views when they allowed an unrepentant abortionist to have a leadership role in their church. So yes, in that particular case, a Lutheran church is not following Lutherism.
2) From the comments I've seen on this board, it appears there are alot of conservative, pro-life freepers who are members of the ELCA. It's wrong to paint the entire denomination as liberal and un-Christian (though certainly I'd make that case with the particular congregation that Tiller attended). It seem the ELCA didn't even exist prior to 1988, so alot of the old time Lutherans weren't "raised" in that denomination at all. Unfortunately, many are probably in the same situation Conservativegreatgrandma mentioned, being from a conservative congregation that was absorbed into the ELCA following a merger belong their control. I understand the reasons for wanting to leave the ELCA for the LCMS, but I can also see there are conservatives trying to work within the ELCA to move them to the right, and we ought to respect that. I still don't think the ELCA is as misguided as say, the Unitarian Universalism Church.
3) As a Catholic, I don't have a problem at all with freepers saying the Reformation was important and that Luther was right. That's not a flame. Of course the Lutherans on FreeRepublic are going to claim that, otherwise you guys wouldn't be Lutheranisms! Furthermore, I think you'll find most Catholics would agree with some of issues Luther had the time. There is no getting around the fact that the Catholic church had some corruption problems in that era and the selling of indulgences was wrong (of course the Catholic church today hasn't done any "money-for-indulences" in several hundred years). Of course we're not going to agree with Luther's entire agenda (otherwise we'd convert to Lutheranism!) but Luther's actions DID bring those problems to the attention of the grassroots lay Christians and not only resulted in Protestantism, but resulted in alot of needed changes to the Catholic church. Personally I think Lutheranism can make much more of a case for its existence than Anglicanism (many of the Episocipian freepers won't be too happy with me because I view their denomination as only existing so some fat lecherous King could divorce his wife... and I agree on the point that if they don't like gay bishops and all they should just rejoin the Catholic church since their church is basically Catholic lite)
4) It's true the Catholic church had doctrinal unity no matter what "faction" of Catholicism you join (makes it easier for us to formally change rites or join a new congregation), and even those schematic churches no longer in communion with Rome (like Mel Gibson's church) pretty much stick with 2000 years of tradition and decry abortion and homosexuality as wrong. However, it's also true that Christian groups that retain overall solid doctrines on these issues, particularly Catholics and South Baptists, never-the-less have some reengage ministers and bishops in their church preaching otherwise. In short, what good is doctrinal unity if you won't enforce it? I think many Catholics on this board just as appalled when a "Catholic" university gave Obama an honorary degree and let him speak about abortion. And as a Catholic I felt just as embarrassed as the Lutherans did with Tiller, when the whole world learned that a "Catholic" priest in Chicago is buddies with Rev. Wright and tells his parishes that all white people are scum and encourages everyone in his congregation to vote for Obama. That heretical "church" isn't teaching anything remotely "Catholic" and it's priest should be excommunicated. But will the Roman Catholic leadership in Chicago that has jurisdiction over the church do anything? No. They gave him a slap on the writ, but still allow that heretic to use Catholic church property to spew his hatred. The solution for me was simple, I simply joined a Catholic church that was not under the authority of the Roman Catholic archdiocese of Chicago. However, the fact that "Father" Pfeleger is still a priest in good standing is enormously embarrassing to all Catholics.
Teachings of human tradition should not be held as sacred. Scripture is sacred and God's teaching on the sanctity of life is all we need to counter the abortion mongers.
What a sick "doctor" Tiller must have been. Aware he was committing mass murder? He had no conscience at all, or he would have quit. Doctors should prolong lives, not take lives.
This ersatz religious organization, which sees no relationship between Islam and terrorism, simultaneously voiced its support for abortion rights while condemning the death penalty.
Well, just explain something to me. Don't both abortion and the death penalty end a life? The only difference is that the person on death row is there for a heinous crime. The baby was totally innocent.
The guy was an usher of a church, killing babies...who had souls.
Which baby in the bible jumped for joy in his mother’s womb?