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Opinion: The sword belongs in its sheath. Killing of George Tiller a ‘Malchus Moment’
Catholic Online ^ | 6/1/09 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 06/01/2009 6:00:53 AM PDT by tcg

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To: ketsu

And what we’re trying to tell you is that the Kansas legislature rightly addressed that loophole by demanding that Tiller submit records to justify that claim and Pontious Pilate Sebelius BLOCKED them. What do you propose be done when a elected official is being paid off to aid in the skirting of a law?


81 posted on 06/01/2009 6:56:55 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: TomOnTheRun
We don’t just cut the law down when we despair or achieving change through it... That’s what communists and revolutionaries do!

Like these "revolutionaries" said:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

82 posted on 06/01/2009 6:58:20 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB
He was required to get that “loophole” verified, he did not.

The AG didn’t enforce that portion of the law. It wasn’t an exploited loophole, it was non-enforcement of the law.

Then you get the AG impeached/fired. You're thinking like a liberal.
83 posted on 06/01/2009 6:58:35 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: tcg

Gee...And here I was thinking it was a Seldon Crisis.


84 posted on 06/01/2009 6:59:21 AM PDT by DGHoodini (The New York Times, are lying 'Rats!)
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To: ketsu

The legislature defined the law, and Tiller avoided prosecution under that law by cozy relations with those supposed to enforce the law.


85 posted on 06/01/2009 6:59:27 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: ketsu

You obviously haven’t followed the Kansas situation very closely...

I’ll excuse your naivete as ignorance.


86 posted on 06/01/2009 6:59:51 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: soccermom
And what we’re trying to tell you is that the Kansas legislature rightly addressed that loophole by demanding that Tiller submit records to justify that claim and Pontious Pilate Sebelius BLOCKED them. What do you propose be done when a elected official is being paid off to aid in the skirting of a law?
You impeach them. There's a reason, for all its imperfections, America has been so good for so long.
87 posted on 06/01/2009 7:00:17 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: MrB
You obviously haven’t followed the Kansas situation very closely...

I’ll excuse your naivete as ignorance.

Yawn... If you want to argue from authority it's a good idea to back up your claim rather than just making assertions.
88 posted on 06/01/2009 7:01:36 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: tcg
A moral analysis tells us that the killing of a defenseless George Tiller is similar to the killing of every defenseless child in the womb who dies due to procured abortion.

The children are innocent. Tiller was not.

Law embraces the notion of defending a third party. Should the shooter have waited until Tiller was "in the act"? Rather absurd. Tiller was bound to murder again.

Maybe Tiller should have been snatched and held someplace where he could not repeat his atrocities. I'm sure this suggestion, too, would be dismissed as a violation of law.

There are sins of commission and sins of omission. If people truly believe that abortion is murder, then not stopping the murder is to be complicit.

Who would not rejoice in the death of an Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, ...

89 posted on 06/01/2009 7:01:40 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
The legislature defined the law, and Tiller avoided prosecution under that law by cozy relations with those supposed to enforce the law.
This is why you can impeach people.
90 posted on 06/01/2009 7:02:10 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: MrB

Not the same at all.

Our founding fathers had no representation, no authority, and had exhausted all other means of redress. This same simply cannot be said here.

We have representation. We have the right to organize and vote. We could replace the governor - we simply failed to convince enough other people to do so. We could replace the prosecutor - we simply failed to convince enough other people to do so. We had the right to further modify laws and close off loopholes. We even have the right to pursue a federal amendment to the Constitution banning ALL abortions - we just haven’t done so. We had the right to seek further prosecution before a vigilante killed him.


91 posted on 06/01/2009 7:02:24 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: ketsu

OK — well good luck with that. The should-be impeached governor is now is charge of the Health and Human Services for the entire country. Running interference for infanticide doctors will soon be coming to a mill near you!


92 posted on 06/01/2009 7:02:53 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Westbrook
With all due respect, I think that's a lot of nonsense.

Popular opinion has had no impact on the culture of abortion in this country, except insofar as most voters don't consider it an important issue at all.

We didn't see a spike in abortion cases after any of the four or five similar murders in the last 20 years, did we?

Oddly enough, I think the single biggest factor in the decline of abortion in this country is the utter revulsion that most respectable physicians feel about the procedure. Many retired abortionists point to this as one of the key reasons why they got out of the business . . . they just had a sense that their peers in the medical profession didn't consider them "real" doctors at all. And rightly so.

93 posted on 06/01/2009 7:04:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: All

To all who would shoot a downed person or kill for revenge, this is how the left will defeat you and take your guns by law. WAKE US YOU STUPID PEOPLE!!!


94 posted on 06/01/2009 7:04:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hey GOP follow Dick Cheney's lead)
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To: Westbrook; xzins
Nothing could have advanced the pro-abortionist cause more, at such a delicate time when popular opinion was JUST beginning to turn against abortionism, than a “clinic” bombing or an abortionist’s murder.

Precisely. And this is why I think this murder was no accident.

0bama will use this to his advantage and the pro-death demons are grinning ear to ear. And why not? They love death, even if it's one of their own.

Amazing << Hear this. Feel this, and tell me that this isn't music.

Oh, dear...


95 posted on 06/01/2009 7:05:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: soccermom
OK — well good luck with that. The should-be impeached governor is now is charge of the Health and Human Services for the entire country. Running interference for infanticide doctors will soon be coming to a mill near you!
Then you'd better start convincing people that re-electing Obama is a bad idea and donating to the RNC/conservative party of your choice then. Nobody said living in a democracy was easy.
96 posted on 06/01/2009 7:06:50 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: TomOnTheRun

Ding ding ding. Don’t you get tired of being right all the time? ;)


97 posted on 06/01/2009 7:08:01 AM PDT by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu

And to you as well =)


98 posted on 06/01/2009 7:09:09 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: lsucat; Teófilo; NYer; Salvation; Nihil Obstat; mileschristi; bornacatholic; Mrs. Don-o; narses; ..

Faith of Our Fathers ping


99 posted on 06/01/2009 7:09:21 AM PDT by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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To: soccermom
I'm not sure I would justify "vigilantism" in THIS case (I don't know enough about the facts of the case), but I will certainly not rule out vigilantism in all cases.

One part of my "coming of age" politically as a high school student was the famed "subway vigilante" shooting on a New York City subway train in December 1984. The entire city of New York was rooting for the guy who carried out that shooting (he shot four thugs who tried to mug him), and I don't know anyone who was happy to see him convicted of various weapons offenses even though he was acquitted of attempted murder.

100 posted on 06/01/2009 7:09:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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