Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
No the purists want to be faithful to God, the author of life, not to political expediency.
There is no need for logic here. The Roman Empire used logic. There is simply the need to adher to law of God.
Negotiating away the very lives of some proportion of innocent human beings is pretty damn cynical.
What’s next..negotiating away some percentage of handicapped? mentally retarded? aged? infirmed? ...just to save some? Let’s get what we can get and the rest be damned!! Bull Shit.
Terrorists generally don't distinguish between people - the word you are looking for is "assassin," I believe. Terrorists just want as many people to die as possible. They're more concerned with body count, take September 11, for example. As such, this guy that shot Tiller does not - IMO - fit the definition of a terrorist.
Likely the latter.
“Why do you think Muslims get liberals to obey them when they tell them to back off? Why do you think libearls feel free and a life cause to attack Christians?
I would say it is only “extreme” civil disobedience and even the death of a few abortionists that has dramatically reduced the number of docs will to go into the abortion industry.”
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Let me see if I understand you correctly. Are you saying that pro-lifers should adopt the “effective strategies” of the Muslim terrorists and there is this effective result that derives from a limited terror campaign (and you’re basically OK with that?).
Now, we’re not talking about waterboarding Hiller under a doctor’s supervision, we’re talking about murdering the murderers. Again, I’ll ask us all what we think about vigilantism in light of the Constitution and Scripture?
By the way, we haven’t succeeded in preventing doctor’s from doing 2nd trimester abortions, or are you only concerned about the 70,000 (or so)/year 3rd trimester abortions?
I didn’t say America sucks. Did you miss the first part of my post?
I said we’ve permitted a holocaust. If you have a cleaner word for 50,000,000 murdered innocents, you’re free to use it.
Oh come on! Don’t be so darn negative! For all we know, the killer is a “DailyKos” visitor that finally couldn’t hold back anymore. We’ve no clue where any of this is going to go. I know there’s a far greater chance that the killer is a rabid left-winger than a possible right-winger. Their types do these things to themselves, not unlike criminal mafias and mobs do.
We need to be vigilant and pro-active. Stay focused. We’re getting so wound up in the possible negatives, without knowing all the facts yet, that we may wind up ignoring the possible positives for us that may come out of this.
Stay sharp. Hone your senses, and stay ALERT!
“Not to me it doesn’t. Sounds right on target and I’ve voted for every Republican President since I’ve been old enough to vote.”
So, what’d you do in the war? To feel so free to talk about your country like it was NAZI Germany?
“This will only help the other side if we let it.”
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How would you suggest we not ‘let it’?
If Ernesto Miranda had been kept in jail too, he would not have been killed in the bar in 1976. Instead, the suspect was read his rights on a Miranda card and promptly fled the scene, never to be found.
“Unfortunately we don’t have justices that recognize unborn babies as life. If this is related to his performing abortions would it be any different than killing Hitler during the holocaust?
If so how?”
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How will killing Tiller stop the abortion holocaust (akin to killing Hitler)? How??
That is not what I am saying.
Not all Muslims commit violence and most Muslims in the West don’t agree with violence (I think). An observation: The possibility of violence if liberals push it too far, seems to have them licking the boots of Muslims.
The possibility of violence gives people pause.
That is all I am saying.
Your ability to comprehend analogies appears to be nil.
“We need to change our society, not vigilante justice on a Sunday morning...this guy needed the electric chair, not a vigilante’s bullet.”
Justice was subverted a long time ago.
“Unsupported vigilantism sets back the pro-life message and movement.”
Does it really matter? its not like the MSM is suddenly going to decide to support abortion because of this. They already think every pro-life person is a terrorist.
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Who cares about the MSM? I do care about our youth and the broader society however. That is who our message must resonate with. And yes, our message to them absolutely matters.
“If you killed anyone in combat, odds are the person you killed was a much more decent person than Tiller.”
Very very true. Which is why i also said that anyone who thinks was is the path of Christ is usually always wrong.
Col. Jeff Cooper even went so far as to say that soldiers should feel PTSD, but not cops who shoot a bad guy. He says a cop normally shoots a bad person, doing evil, but a soldier kills a man usually much like you. He would probably have been a fine neighbor, friend, or coworker.
I know war has to happen, but murder in the foyer of a church? Nope,,
So you wanna quote verses eh? Maybe I need to go reread the bible, I coulda sworn there were numerous cases where God brought down his wrath on his enemies and also blessed killing under the right circumstances.
Taking the Bible out of context is not right.
The people of Kansas better remember Sodom and Gomorrah. They need to fear God.
Careful their old-timer lest you be mistaken for a North Korean ambassador.
Best to walk back your internet stance. One thing to think out of the box but quite another to put down in words (on the internet) for all to see.
If their are truly 8 (a squad?), then it would appear as if your haughty words are used to recruit. Care to share the list?
I might need a squad too, ya never know.
"The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
'The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.'(79) 'The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.' (80) 2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being. But today, in many people's consciences, the perception of its gravity has become progressively obscured. The acceptance of abortion in the popular mind, in behaviour and even in law itself, is a telling sign of an extremely dangerous crisis of the moral sense, which is becoming more and more incapable of distinguishing between good and evil, even when the fundamental right to life is at stake. Given such a grave situation, we need now more than ever to have the courage to look the truth in the eye and to call things by their proper name, without yielding to convenient compromises or to the temptation of self-deception. In this regard the reproach of the Prophet is extremely straightforward: "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness" (Is 5:20). Especially in the case of abortion there is a widespread use of ambiguous terminology, such as "interruption of pregnancy", which tends to hide abortion's true nature and to attenuate its seriousness in public opinion. Perhaps this linguistic phenomenon is itself a symptom of an uneasiness of conscience. But no word has the power to change the reality of things: procured abortion is the deliberate and direct killing, by whatever means it is carried out, of a human being in the initial phase of his or her existence, extending from conception to birth.
No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the Law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church."
You said America was more pleasing to satan than Hitler was. And thats crap.
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