Posted on 05/26/2009 12:59:19 PM PDT by wagglebee
Zurich, Switzerland (LifeNews.com) -- The Dignitas assisted suicide facility in Switzerland is coming under investigation for allegedly killing a man with depression. Under the euthanasia law in Switzerland, someone can only be killed in an assisted suicide if they suffer from a terminal illness.
Swiss Judge Philippe Barboni has ordered an investigation of the death of Andrei Haber, a Romanian who lived in Fribourg.
Relatives notified Swiss authorities that he had planned to kill himself at the Dignitas facility.
"This case presents a particular fact: that the person didn't suffer from a serious or incurable disease, provoking severe pain. His motives were essentially psychological," Judge Barboni said, according to Swiss media reports.
Care Not Killing, a British-based group that opposes assisted suicide and euthanasia, commented on Haber's death and the resulting probe, which it called felicitous given that euthanasia advocates appear to prey on the depressed.
"Almost invariably, they change their minds over time... and die in due course peacefully and with dignity," a spokesman said.
A former worker for a Dignitas suicide clinic, Soraya Wernli, spent two and a half years working at the suicide clinic. She told the London Daily Mail newspaper in January she began to see the suicide clinic not as the compassionate place for ending lives but as a money-making killing machine taking advantage of the disabled and terminally ill.
She explained how its founder and operator, Ludwig Minelli, would rush people through the death process by giving them the deadly drugs just hours after arriving from the airport.
"This is the biggest step anyone will ever take. They should at least be allowed to stay overnight, to think about what they are doing. But Minelli would have none of it," she told the Daily Mail. "He once said to me that if he had his way, he would have vending machines where people could buy barbiturates to end their lives as easily as if they were buying a soft drink or a bar of chocolate."
"And Minelli has the cheek to call his practice Dignitas, when dignity is the last thing afforded to these poor people," the former nurse said.
Since leaving the clinic in 2005 she has dedicated her time to trying to expose the abuses there and put it out of business.
Knowing what we will do DOES NOT mean that He approves of it.
So He walks into a room and finds someone commiting rape. Since He knows it’s going to happen, does He walk back into the past, and still create that person?
If He knows it’s going to happen, and He cannot be wrong, doesn’t it have to happen?
No, but it does mean that He creates us anyway, knowing what we will do. Doesn’t it?
I find it best for my mental health if I do not presume to know the mind of God. I cannot answer your question.
Yes, I believe you are correct.
Fair enough.
Neither do I, that’s why I just ask people these questions, not expecting to learn the mind of God, but to see people’s answers. Thanks
Why do you think He creates rapists and murderers?
I wouldn’t presume to know why He does such things other than that He gave us free will. If man never sinned, it really wouldn’t be free will.
On reflection, I came up with an answer to your question. But it may be completely wrong. It may turn into a few paragraphs, so before I go to the trouble, I’d like to know if you are interested.
I don't know about stuartcr, but I would certainly be interested in reading it.
Do you cast them away for that? Of course not. The injury is not grevious, even though caused by disobedience, and can be mended in its entirety with just a little attention.
Compare this to the rapist, the victim, and the scale of God. Maybe to him, violent rape is a little thing, easily fixed. All he has to do is get them to the band aids in heaven (which means they have to go to Heaven first).
Further, both the rapist and his victim are His children. Maybe they are both 3 year olds in his eyes. The rapist can still repent, the victim can still forgive, both of which are pleasing to Him.
I think it is a matter of scale. Any heinous thing that happens here in this place may be fixed in Heaven. If the child acknowledges the error and asks for forgiveness.
Therefore, He would still create the rapist, give him free will, and wish him to come around.
See my earlier post.
Probably faster — though..... I don’t know......
Although the implementation of such a policy involves some difficulties, I do strongly agree with you.
Me neither, at least we agree that God knowingly creates sinners. Do you think that if God knows someone will do something, they must do it?
Yes, but I won’t be able to answer until tomorrow, it’s almost midnite, and I’ve got to get to bed.
Does your answer mean that you do presume to know the mind of God?
That sort of goes along with what I’ve been saying for a long time...that what we consider to be good or bad, really isn’t good or bad to God, it’s just the way He creates individuals.
Won’t God already know if and when that person will come around? Even before they are born?
I have no idea. I did put a big disclaimer beore my supposition, but it’s just a guess on my part.
before, sheesh
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.