Posted on 05/21/2009 3:46:08 AM PDT by IbJensen
IMO you're wrong about voting, American Jews vote largely on domestic issues. The fact is there is very little difference in the parties policies toward Israel, thus far Obama is following in GWB's footsteps, and liberals who think America can successfully negotiate with her enemies will support the idea that Israel can and should do the same. Hostility toward Jews, as expressed by the Carter and Bush I administrations, yes, that can change the vote, but at this point we're in the post Bush I period. The Crusades, lot's of aggression, but it was about maintaining the right of Christians to revisit the Holy Land. Some things don't change.
Many Jews would vote for Satan himself he were a democRAT.
Robert Spencer is a real hero along with Pam over at Atlas Shrugs - they are friends. As far as Evangelicals and Jews, I am neither. I think Evangelicals support Israel more than liberal American Jews who voted for Obama.
In addition, Bibi Nethanyahu did his “wilderness” tour in the United States a few years ago. I say wilderness because his situation was a bit like Churchill before WW2. They were called Churchill’s “wilderness years” before WW2. He was booted out of office by a populace that scorned him for being a hawk.
When Bibi came to America he gave speeches at large Evangelical churches which also had Jews in attendence and he pulled big crowds. I think they may have been speeches to help him raise money. I think he also spoke at synagogues but he pulled smaller numbers.
I think the frustration has to do with conservatives are dumb founded that (liberal) Jews would vote for O due to the serious risks for Israel and that (liberal) Catholics would vote for him due to partial birth and post birth murder.
I do not think it is anti-semitism or bigotry but just anger at the stupidity. I have more in common with conservative Jews and Catholics than other groups. I know conservative Jews and Catholics who were apoloplectic about the prospect of you know who.
I am also angry and have some pity for African Americans who were duped by this half African Arab. Most AA are Christians and O’s islamo relatives/tribe in Kenya and Sudan are killing African Christians. Dafur genoice is Muslims killing Christians but the media never mentions that. Rev. Manning in Harlem tried to warn African Americans.
PING
Such a picture upsets he now elusive Huma..
The Israelis wuill then use missiles to do the job..
Jews voted for Reagan in 1980 and against Carter because of Jimmy’s anti-Israel policies. Jews voted for Clinton over Bush Senior in 1996 because of Bubba’s Oslo “Peace” Accords (in addition to his economy fix). Jews voted for Dubya in 2004 because of his strong support of Israel, his smackdown of Iran’s and Iraq’s state-sponsored terrorism against Israel, and for his removal of Saddam from power — a major, existential threat to Israel.
So, why did Jews not vote for Dubya in 2000?
Your call.
I couldn't agree with you more! As an adult I had to
re teach myself on every BS history lesson I was ever
taught! Including government and civics.The nuns in catholic school were the worse offenders.
Jews were not supportive of the Iraq war, in most polls at the time they registered the highest levels of opposition amongst religious and demographic groups, in the mid to upper 70% disapproval range. And Jews didn't vote for Dubya in 2004, he got 24%, a slight increase over his 19% in 2000. In 2000 you had on the one hand the VP of a President popular in the Jewish community, on the other the son of the man who took the GOP share of the Jewish vote from 35% in 1988 to 11% in 1992. Based largely on his anti-Israel policies, this pro-Saudi "fuck the [American] Jews, they don't vote for us anyway" SOS, and his choice of Pat Buchanan, perceived by many as antisemitic, as the moral voice of the Republican Party. All legitimate reasons, imo.
Obama's position was not "clearly" and widely known BEFORE the election. Who, exactly, hammered this point home? Not the media. Not the GOP. Who revealed Obama's promises about Israel for the lies they were? None of the above.
Where among the Jewish groups were the alarms being sounded BEFORE the election? Who was providing the specific evidence to Jewish groups, like AIPAC, that Obama would throw Israel under the bus AFTER the election?
Even the nontraditional media, like WND, shied away from pointing the finger at Obama before May of last year. It's only now, after his first 100 days, that the truth of Obama's "final solution" is coming to light. But as a prior poster had indicated, "McCain and the GOP did nothing to DOCUMENT and EXPOSE Obama's true intentions and his active anti-Israel associations." Heck, even FOXNEWS failed to make the security of Israel a national issue in the Presidential campaign, let alone a Jewish one.
Jewish groups were sold a "better batch of goods" by Obama and the 'Rats than by McCain and the Dumbos. Obama lied through his teeth, and no one made any concerted effort to strip them bare with a history of documented facts about ZERO's anti-Jewish/Anti-Israel associates and behaviors.
ALL of the political, fact-checking entities were liberal shills for Obama. There were no Conservative fact-checking sites to counter them. Obama's Campaign held full sway with their "Fight the Smears" website -- which was never called onto the carpet for all of its lies and distortions. There should have been been a Jewish counterpart to it, like "Fight the Shmucks," to put Conservatives and Pubs on the offensive.
So, what group or individual was able to get the attention of Jews and to debunk Obama's promises to them about Israel? (the sound you hear are crickets).
Obama would say, "America will not change her strong relationship with Israel. Israel will always be known as the Jewish state. Jerusalem will be the undivided capital of Israel."
What did McCain say in response? "Me, too!"
The GOP thinks that all they needed to do was to raise doubts about Obama as a leader and doubts about his ability to follow through on specific promises, and that alone should have been enough to sway Jewish opinion away from Obama. They could not have been more wrong if they tried.
None of the politicians this year had the cajones to talk the talk: to say why any and every "land for peace" deal is a sham; why the US will not support the creation of another terrorist Palestinian mini-state, nor will it condone having it ripped from Israel's own land and placed on its border; why the creation of another Hamasistan is also a threat to America, and not just Israel, and finally, why the Arab states, along with the UN, are solely responsible for creating the "Palestinian problem" 60 years ago and perpetuating it today, and that they are the only ones who can solve it and should solve it -- by resettling them in the same countries that expelled 1 million Jews from their homes after 1947.
Yeah, that would p*ss off a lot of Lefties and Muslim-Americans, but it's the truth and there is no substitute for it.
Seriously, how many people knew what would be the full extent of Obama's Socialistic blitzkreig on America and Israel BEFORE the election? The answer is "Not many at all." Of these few, how many devoted their time to convincing Jewish voters of it? The answer is, "Was there one?"
Where was Joe Lieberman?
Busy endorsing Juan! Lieberman has made no effort whatsoever, in convincing Jewish people about Obama’s hidden agenda. Lieberman covered his own A$$ in switching parties. Lieberman is an embarrassment and a coward.
Thank you for exposing the truth; one, that I’ve been trying to post as well (but not as well as you).
Now what??? How does the message get out to American Jews and the GOP leadership to publicize the truth; to expose the anti-semites within the RAT party and Zero’s henchmen?
I, for one was told when I brought up concerns about the anti-Israel folks he had on staff (Samantha Powers,Susan Rice, etc.) ...assured by Freepers even...that because Rahm Emmanuel was on board, Israel was not an issue. It appears they were dead wrong, just as I suspected.
No question that Obama has shown his contempt for Israel. He hates Jews and intends to destroy Israel.
But that’s not all he hates. He also hates the UK, and he hates Europe, and he hates real Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, and he hates America. He would be happy to destroy them all.
I think there is a solid conservative core of Catholics, Evangelicals, and Orthodox Jews who understand the need to work together to fight these cultural enemies of civilization, who are promoting their Culture of Death. Death to babies, death to Jews, death to Christians, death to families, death to western civilization—the heritage of Jerusalem, Athens, and Rome.
Unfortunately, the election of Obama, in part because the Republican leadership seems unable to understand what is at stake here and how to fight it, is a major setback. I would say possibly a fatal setback, if I were not confident that in the end G-d will prevail. But we are more and more in need of some kind of miracle of divine intervention.
That doesn’t mean that we sit back and wait for it, but we should certainly be praying for it. Because the subverters and the destroyers have been winning the battle for control of western culture, undermining it from within. And Obama is now their chief instrument of destruction.
Seriously, how many people knew what would be the full extent of Obama’s Socialistic blitzkreig on America and Israel BEFORE the election?
I can see you’re passionate on the subject. Personally, I would argue that Obama’s radical agenda should have been apparent to all with eyes to see from the tone of his pre-election rhetoric. As for his posture toward Israel, his use of the name Hussein should have been something of a tipoff, IMHO.
Freepers knew before hand, there is just not enough of us and we have no mouthpiece.
Jews did know most of the extent of this guy. For the first time in their 3/4 of a century +++, many were going to vote for a candidate with an ‘R’ next to his name. They had wanted Hillary, and had been aware of the implications of the dark horse, early in the race.
Then he announced predictions of who his key advisors and who the cabinet people would be. The Jews found Rahm Emmanuel and the rest of the Clinton-redos, very reassuring. He sent his surrogates to their communities, including Slick Willie. He tricked them and misled them in the last 2 weks of October. Jews that cast their vote early for McCain were being harassed by their neighbors and feeling guilty. Now they are the ones with a clear conscious that can say, “ OMG, look what you have done to us now!”
The Jewish vote was a shame, but it was not a geat enough number of votes to have been a decisive factor in the election of 2008. Other groups that don’t vote a straight D ticket historically are much more to blame, IMHO. Evangelicals & Catholics voting for a man that promotes and votes for infanticide, now that is unexplainable, beyond shame. Abortion is not a deciding factor that draws the Jewish vote to Republicans (like support of Israel). Abortion is supposed to be a huge factor on the sanctity of life among Christians. They disregarded their faith or have a lack thereof to have voted for this guy. They should be aching with guilt and remorse.
And lets not forget our fellow FReepers that refused to vote for the Rino on principal. I kept warning people that it is not the way to teach a lesson. Look how well the the 2006 lesson they taught in Congress has worked out for us. It has pushed the country on a fast dark train to hell. Votes and non-votes and not campaigning (cause he is not a Conservative) have serious repercussions and implications. Conservative people are generally well-informed on the issues, but stubbornly refused to compromise. We could have had a piece (small-one) of the pie with McCain/Palin. Now we have nothing and no meaningful elective voice. We can only sit back and watch the country be dismantled.
Hopefully, for Jews, it is an opportunity to learn a lesson about fraud and deceit within party politics. Hopefully they will realize they should have followed their gut instincts and rejected this guy. Hopefully, there will still be an Israel and there will be a chance to make amends for the damage that occurs.
I even despise his pedigreed pooch.
Why they wanted this fatso in a pants suit makes no sense whatsoever.
She's dictating to Bibi what Israel can and cannot do.
She is beyond trailer trash and the Kenyan-African who is her boss is hell-bent on destructing this nation.
...and he's succeeding in spades.
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