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India thinks some Pakistani N-sites already in radical hands: Report
The Times of India ^ | 16 May 2009, 0120 hrs IST | The Times of India

Posted on 05/15/2009 1:08:17 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins

WASHINGTON: India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has told President Obama that nuclear sites in Pakistan's restive frontier province are "already partly" in the hands of Islamic extremists, an Israeli journal has said, amid considerable anxiety among US pundits here over Washington's confidence in the security of the troubled nation's nuclear arsenal.

Claims about the high-level exchange between New Delhi and Washington were made in the Debka, a journal said to have close ties with Israeli intelligence, under the headline "Singh warns Obama: Pakistan is lost." The brief story said the Indian prime minister had named Pakistani nuclear sites in the areas which were Taliban-Qaida strongholds and said the sites are already partly in the hands of "Muslim extremists." A sub-head to the story said "India gets ready for a Taliban-ruled nuclear neighbor."

There was no official word from either Washington or New Delhi about the exchanges, with India in the throes of an election and US winding down for the weekend. But US experts have been greatly perturbed in recent days about what they say is Washington's misplaced confidence in, and lackadaisical approach towards, Pakistan's nuclear assets. The disquiet comes amid reports that Pakistan is ramping up its nuclear arsenal even as the rest of the world is scaling it down.

"It is quite disturbing that the administration is allowing Pakistan to quantitatively and qualitatively step up production of fissile material without as much as a public reproach," Robert Windrem, a visiting scholar with the Center for Law and Security in New York University and an expert on South Asia nuclear issues told ToI in an interview on Thursday. "Iraq and Iran did not get a similar concessions... and Pakistan has a much worse record of proliferation and security breaches than any other country in the world."

Windrem, a former producer with NBC whose book "Critical Mass" was among the first to red flag Islamabad's proliferation record going back to the 1980s, referred to recent reports and satellite images showing Pakistan building two large new plutonium production reactors in Khushab, which experts say could lead to improvements in the quantity and quality of the country's nuclear arsenal. The reactors had nothing to do with power-production' they are weapons-specific, and are being built with resources who diversion is enabled by the billions of dollars the US is giving to Pakistan as aid, he said.

Windrem also pointed out that Khushab's former director, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood met with Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and offered a nuclear weapons tutorial around an Afghanistan campfire, as attested by the former CIA Director George Tenet in his memoir "At the Center of the Storm." Yet successive US administrations had adopted an attitude of benign neglect towards Pakistan's nuclear program and its expansion at a time the country was in growing ferment and under siege within from Islamic extremists.

US officials, going up to the President himself, have repeatedly said in public that they have confidence the Pakistani nuclear arsenal will not fall into the hands of Islamic extremists, and they have Islamabad's assurances to this effect. But scholars like Windrem fear Pakistan's nuclear program may already be infected with the virus of radicalism from within, as demonstrated by the Sultan Bashiruddin incident.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; india; islam; israel; pakistan; pakistaninukes; taliban; tm
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To: Joe Boucher

All of the above.


21 posted on 05/15/2009 1:57:39 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Bender2

I feel a warming trend coming that area!


22 posted on 05/15/2009 1:58:14 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
It may actually be so, but not quite in the way the authors are presenting. The highest echelons of Pakistani intelligence, military, and politics have been compromised for years. These are the people that clear the people who are actually onsite. A well-designed and -implemented security system can allow for a certain level of compromise and still function (to a point). The question is not whether it is compromised, but by how much.

There is a second question in play - should the Taliban become the legitimate government, we aren't talking in terms of compromise at all, but simple, overt takeover by the new owners. No security system can guard against that.

23 posted on 05/15/2009 1:59:23 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: gandalftb

Could you comment on this report, please. I value your opinions more than comments from Obama.


24 posted on 05/15/2009 2:15:12 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: cbkaty
Maybe Israel still has it.
25 posted on 05/15/2009 2:18:40 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

That’s possible, and it shows why we and they should have supported Musharraf rather than making the same mistake that was made with regard to China, Cuba, Iran,a nd Nicaragua.


26 posted on 05/15/2009 2:23:57 PM PDT by TBP
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

no worries
obama will fix it.


27 posted on 05/15/2009 2:49:06 PM PDT by genghis
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To: TBP

>>we and they should have supported Musharraf

India actually was quite reconciled to Musharraf, since the Army wields the real power in Pakistan. May as deal with the real power rather than the figleaf.

And, it’s not Obama who forced out Musharraf, that was Bush by insisting on Benazir’s return.

Anyway, all water now......


28 posted on 05/15/2009 3:08:37 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Let’s see....

Lawn Chair, Check,
Popcorn (Unpopped), Check
Pot to hold Popcorn, Check
Welders Gloves to hold Pot while Popcorn pops. Check
Large Glass of Sweet Tea, Check
Welders Goggles, Check
Sunscreen SPF 1000, Check
Potassium Iodine Tablets, Check

Let the bombing commence!


29 posted on 05/16/2009 9:26:04 AM PDT by Blackhawk (God said it, I believe it, That settles it.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

pakis can’t think of that. They have no real intelligence and cant figure out that India would retaliate with complete and utter force and wipe out Pakistan from the map.


30 posted on 05/16/2009 12:11:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

This should be evaluated in conjunction with a story in the WSJ yesterday that two SF teams, size undetermined had been sent to the unnamed frontier and tribal areas, to help train the FrontierCorps, a Sisyphusian exercise in futility if there ever was one, but probably a figleaf for their true purpose, which would be nuclear related.

The Paki military is probably highly split among the upper ranks as well, with pro and anti US camps doing a deadly shadow dance for now.


31 posted on 05/16/2009 2:49:57 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: swarthyguy

Do you have the link to the WSJ story with you? I’ll post it as article here, if you are not going to.


32 posted on 05/16/2009 3:02:48 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Found it...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124241541672724767.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hope it works OK, think it’s a freebie....


33 posted on 05/16/2009 3:08:20 PM PDT by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: kidd

>>Many people are going to die because of Obama.<<

Thanks for that happy thought for the day. *sigh*

I only hope we get out of this alive


34 posted on 05/16/2009 3:46:58 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: G8 Diplomat; NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; Dog; Straight Vermonter

fyi


35 posted on 05/16/2009 9:45:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Items from :

The long War Journal for Pakistan

36 posted on 05/16/2009 9:50:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Bender2; nickcarraway; MyTwoCopperCoins
And there is this....FR Thread:

‘Pakistan Making More N-Weapons’

**********************************EXCERPT INTRO*******************************

Hindustan Times ^ | 5/15/09

Posted on Fri 15 May 2009 12:23:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, has confirmed reports that Pakistan is increasing its nuclear weapons programme. The confirmation came during a Senate Armed Services committee hearing on Thursday when Democrat senator Jim Webb, an expert on defence issues, raised fears that Pakistan is adding to the nuclear weapons it traditionally has pointed toward India, and questioned whether US aid could be funding it.

Noting reports that Pakistan "may be actually adding on their weapon systems and warheads" Webb asked: "Do you have any evidence of that?" "Yes," Mullen answered. The US has urged Pakistan to focus on the extremist threat instead of India. “Historically, they haven't done that,” Mullen said. “So right now, I'm encouraged by what's happened, but I certainly withhold any judgment about where it goes.”

37 posted on 05/16/2009 9:59:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SunkenCiv

fyi


38 posted on 05/16/2009 10:01:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Relax people, it's coming from Debka. You know what I think of when I hear Debka? I think of the Levantine dabkeh dance. An intel site with the same name as Arabic line dancing? Yeah that's trustworthy. LOL


39 posted on 05/16/2009 10:19:11 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: everyone

The Su-30MKI Flankers, sappers and the spy agency have a mission to do:

The Flankers would eliminate any interfering PAF aerial opposition while the sappers go in and seize the nuclear sites.

The spy agency will be concentrated on searching the nuclear football and seizing it before it falls into Taliban hands and the nuclear launch codes are compromised.


40 posted on 05/17/2009 1:56:32 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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