'Gay' Gene Claim Suddenly Vanishes

World Net Daily ^ | May 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[conservativegramma]

American Psychological Association revises statement on homosexuality

A publication from the American Psychological Association includes an admission that there is no "gay" gene, according to a doctor who has written about the issue on the website of National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality.

A. Dean Byrd, the past president of NARTH, confirmed that the statement from the American Psychological Association came in a brochure that updates what the APA has advocated for years.

Specifically, in a brochure that first came out about 1998, the APA stated: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

However, in the update: a brochure now called, "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," the APA's position changed.

The new statement says:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles. ..."

"Although there is no mention of the research that influenced this new position statement, it is clear that efforts to 'prove' that homosexuality is simply a biological fait accompli have failed," Byrd wrote. "The activist researchers themselves have reluctantly reached that conclusion. There is no gay gene. There is no simple biological pathway to homosexuality."

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I am not pushing anything other than a logic based discussion. You are posting things from sites dedicated to proving that homosexuals chose their behavior. I will wait to hear your answer to whether we heterosexuals derive our desire from hard wired genes or “temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieu as the individual’s sexuality emerges”

Aside from this I give credence to people who say that they’ve always (since their first sexual awareness) felt homosexual. It is extreme arogance on your part to insist that they have no idea what they are talking about and actually made a conscious choice to be homo.

Let me get to the bottom line though: why does it matter to you if someone chooses it or is born that way? Why the obsession with what other adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes? You don’t have enough in life to worry about or are you fighting your own demons? I’m asking with sincerety.

[scripter]

You’re just bouncing all over the place trying to change the subject and using misdirection. As somebody else pointed out, we deal with reality.

[scripter]

I am not pushing anything other than a logic based discussion.

No, you're not. You've tried to change the subject. Tried to use misdirection. Misrepresented what others have said and on and on. How's that logic working for you? Not too well? Then let me make a suggestion. Stop trying to change the subject. Stop using misdirection and stop misrepresenting others.

You are posting things from sites dedicated to proving that homosexuals chose their behavior.

Here's yet another misrepresentation of the sites I've listed. You don't get to change the subject.

Aside from this I give credence to people who say that they’ve always (since their first sexual awareness) felt homosexual.

That's nice. I know people, some of them freepers, who said the same thing and are now ex-gay.

It is extreme arogance on your part to insist that they have no idea what they are talking about and actually made a conscious choice to be homo.

And here you are again, misrepresenting what I've said.

Let me get to the bottom line though: why does it matter to you if someone chooses it or is born that way?

Why does it matter to you what I do with my time?

Why the obsession with what other adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes?

And you continue misrepresenting my position.

You don’t have enough in life to worry about or are you fighting your own demons?

Ooh, ooh, my favorite! Straight from After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's. This is talking point #11 which you can read in post 10 here. It's also a combination of talking points 19, 20 and 43.

I’m asking with sincerety [sic].

Yeah, you're just dripping with it.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

It's obvious that you are dealing with your own demons on the issue.

The fact that you know some ex-gay people doesn't mean that all gays can become ex-gay. Either way, I am done with you. You are not of the caliber person that I would bother with in real life and I should've never wasted time with you on the internet. Good bye.

[scripter]

In post 129 you said:

I am not going to argue with you because I really don’t care either way.

And then you couldn't stop making blunder after blunder; so I agree, you're in way over your head.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I could have beaten you in a debate even when I was 12 years old. You are a waste of bandwidth (and oxygen). bye.

[scripter]

I could have beaten you in a debate even when I was 12 years old.

Prove your assertion or run away yet again. You have consistently made blunder after blunder. You've been caught trying to change the subject and using misdirection and here you are using a pitiful ad hominem attack.

You are a waste of bandwidth (and oxygen). bye.

This is the third time you've put your tail between your legs and run away.

Perhaps you should return when you can convince lesbian activist Camille Paglia that your position has any merit. Here is what she said, from post 164:

"Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous...homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.....

"Is the gay identity so fragile that it cannot bear the thought that some people may not wish to be gay? Sexuality is highly fluid, and reversals are theoretically possible. However, habit is refractory, once the sensory pathways have been blazed and deepened by repetition-a phenomenon obvious in the struggle with obesity, smoking, alcoholism or drug addiction....helping gays to learn to function heterosexually, if they wish, is a perfectly worthy aim.

"We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pause a the prepubescent stage where children anxiously band together by gender....current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice,' that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

The good news is you can start over with me anytime you want, but you have to stop playing games. That means stop trying to change the subject, stop using misdirection and stop the personal attacks.