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To: presidio9
Second, because only someone who knew nothing about Christianity, would ever make that statement. The most important Christian who ever lived was a Jewish persecuter of Christians until he converted.

Converted to what? Paul was a Jew until the day he died. Not just a Jew, but a Temple Jew. Not just a Temple Jew, but an observant Temple Jew.

He would be repulsed by the "church" that declared Jews as "Christ-killers" and has a long sad history of murdering Jews.

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for G-d's gifts and His call are irrevocable. Romans 11:28-29
90 posted on 05/11/2009 4:20:36 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: safisoft
Converted to what? Paul was a Jew until the day he died. Not just a Jew, but a Temple Jew. Not just a Temple Jew, but an observant Temple Jew.

Sigh... you've not read the Acts of the Apostles or any of Paul's letters, have you?

He said very clearly that the New covenant was with God and ALL of His people, that the early covenant was just with God and the children of Israel but that now God had granted grace on all His Children.

Do you as a Jewish person believe that God's grace is now solely with you because you are descended from Abraham? We believe that accident of birth does not determine grace, but God's will alone and that a descendent of Ham has as much a chance to get God's grace as a descendent of Shem.


He would be repulsed by the "church" that declared Jews as "Christ-killers" and has a long sad history of murdering Jews.

The people who in front of the Sanhedrin said that Christ's blood would be on them and their children were not ALL the Jews in the world and in no way can that be used to say that Jews are Christ-killers. The more correct term is that ALL of us -- you AND me are Christ-killers, by our sins.

The Church of God, founded by God and a continuation of the Temple, through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is God's will.
94 posted on 05/11/2009 4:45:07 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: safisoft

Hey, I have no problem agreeing that Jesus was a Jew, and Paul was a Jew, and Apostles were all Jews. My point was that Christians forget about past sins of those who repent. Catholic would accept Hitler if it were possible for his sick mind to be truely repentent.

But I can’t resist, since you brought it up. In your opinion, are the Jews For Jesus still Jewish? I ask you that because most Jewish authorities seem to deny that they are.

BTW, if you are going to quote the NT on a discussion of Paul you might want to look at the parts he actually wrote (i.e most of it), and get his own opinion instead of cherry picking quotes off of a webpage with an agenda. In case you were wondering, Pete (a Jew) blames the Jews directly in a speech at the beginning of Acts. The Jews were Jesus’ people. They rejected him and sent him to a humiliating death. Anyone who tells you that Christianity does not teach this is trying to be politically correct. Anyone who lashes out against Jews because if it is failing to grasp the rest of the thought, which is that we Christians, as Jesus’ people who have rejected him through sin are no better than the Jews, and equally guilty. And, BTW, the Nazis beef with the Jews was first about Socialist wealth redistribution away from a prosperous minority that couldn’t stick up for itself. It had absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.

And deliberatly refusing to capitalize the word Church is just plain childish.


122 posted on 05/11/2009 7:58:46 PM PDT by presidio9 ("a stable once had something inside it that was bigger than our whole world," -Lucy Pevensie)
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