Posted on 05/06/2009 7:47:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I hope I am proven wrong.
I hope for the sake of our country that I and many other concerned citizens across the country are looked upon as well-intentioned but ultimately misguided individuals who chased a bad rumor based on lies and distortions.
The reason I hope to be thought wrong (although well-intentioned) is because the price of being right about the constitutional requirements to be president not being met by the current occupant of the Oval Office is too disturbing to be imagined.
If, in fact, Barack Obama does not meet the requirements set out by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, Section I, it would throw this country into a constitutional crisis. Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden. The harrowing part of this taking place is that every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid.
Full-moon time? I know, I know; I sound like a raving lunatic. So where do I draw my conclusions that this is even a valid issue to entertain?
Let's review what's been accepted as "fact" by the mainstream press and the vast majority of Americans: Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, and Barack Obama Sr., 25.
Now let's look at some of the questions challenging these accepted "facts":
Concerned citizens across the United States since well before the November election have questioned Barack Obama's "natural born" qualification for the presidency. From sea to shining sea, at least 18 lawsuits with plaintiffs including a former presidential candidate, a former deputy attorney general, state legislators and retired and active duty members of the military, are attempting to compel him to verify his citizenship.
Candidate Obama's own Web site, fightthesmears.com, posted a "Certification of Live Birth," which, according to the Web site, proves that Obama is in fact a natural born U.S. citizen. What the Web site won't tell you, however, is that a "Certification of Live Birth" is not a birth certificate, and that at the time, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign-born children of U.S. citizens (Stanley Ann Dunham) to have their births registered with this document based on a statement of only one relative. The obvious question must be asked: If Obama has an original "long form" birth certificate issued on the day of his birth by the state of Hawaii, why would he also have a "Certification of Live Birth"? It would not be necessary. Critics have called upon President Obama to just give the state of Hawaii his permission to release his original "long form" birth certificate. The "long form" birth certificate would include all the pertinent information about his birth: name of the hospital, name and signature of the attending physician and a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department. This simple action by President Obama would immediately end all speculation about his citizenship and the reasons for the various lawsuits. Instead, President Obama is spending time and money hiring lawyers to fight these lawsuits. Why?
Why doesn't the mainstream press cover these lawsuits? I mean, in 2004, Dan Rather did a bang up job covering something a lot less important. Rather had "authentic" memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record. Yet there are some legitimate questions about the constitutional eligibility of our president, and yet not one single major press outlet is covering it. Part of the reason is that this issue has supposedly settled by the independent authority on Obama's birth certificate, FactCheck.org. Yet on their Web site, FactCheck.org states:
"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."
So the independent authority on this question has admitted that they have not seen the original long-form birth certificate. And the questions remain.
I sincerely hope that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1961 and therefore meets the constitutional requirements to be president. If not, our Constitution must be followed and procedures put in place for future elections wherein all candidates on the ballot must prove they meet the requirements set forth by the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution.
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Peter Aparicio is a resident of Victoria and a government teacher at Memorial High School.
Because when the election was held and the electoral votes cast and when he was sworn in there was no evidence that he was ineligible. All actions were legal when taken. Should a miracle occur and you actually produce evidence showing that he's ineligible you don't go back to square one. You take the step going forward of removing him from office. According to the Constitution, Biden then becomes President.
Why?
Actually there was plenty of evidence, but the courts repeatedly refused to even consider it.
As far as I can tell the Constitution only provides for a president to be removed from office because of impeachment, death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the office. What am I missing N-S?
Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.
Sure there is.
Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.Assuming Obama is ineligible, is he therefore "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office?" Would the "majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" be required to remove him from office? The amendment doesn't say say so. Wouldn't they have to vote on it? You say he would be automatically removed but the Constitution doesn't say that. Besides this clause is for removing the president due to his unfitness to discharge the powers and duties of his office, not his ineligibility to ever even hold that office in the first place.
And it really does not matter whether Obama knew he was breaking the law or not. Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.
The dims ran the guy because they knew that no one would challenge him. They had the race card in their favor and the MSM played right along. Even now, no one will bring this issue up for fear of being tagged as racists. This was a very effective tactic to get a guy in the White House who is not qualified. obambi doesn’t care about qualifications, hell he gets to be the first celebutard. Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Ride around in AF1. Great job.
So now SCOTUS is reversing time? That's a whole new dimension of judicial activism.
Please go back and read all of my posts on this thread for an understanding of what I’m suggesting.
If he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else except the US, then he fails on either the "Blackstone" (i.e. English common law) or Vattel (Law of Nations) test. If born in the US, then he still fails both, although he fails the Blackstone test by virtue of being a natural born Subject of the Queen of England. (English common law was contradictory, it had all children born in the domain the Crown as natural born subjects, but it also had those born of subject fathers outside the realm as natural born subjects. Thus one cannot apply English common law to "disputes" involving two sovereign nations, since in that case the child be the natural born subject of two sovereigns, which is not allowed even per Blackstone who states that being a natural born subject requires exclusive and permanent fealty to the crown.
Hardly what the founders would have put up with, having just decided to do away with crowns entirely. (What they would think of the Messiah, is probably not printable in this forum).
It's not like we haven't had naive incompetent boobs as President before. The Republic survived. Surviving a Marxist usurper with Muslim sympathies, that we might not survive as anything recognizable as the Republic the founders gave us.
Could be either, or neither. BHO looks like a heavily tanned somewhat kinky haired version of his maternal grandfather, Stanley Dumham. That tan, hair and eyes (and slightly broader nose and fuller lips) could come from pretty much anyone with African heritage. Even native Hawaiian, other Pacific Islander, or even Australian aborigine or Indian (inluding Pakistani) genes could produce those features)
Actually she's required by law not to reveal the contents of any "health record" which includes birth records, to anyone except a very short list of people with a "personal interest" in the information. That doesn't include you or I of course. There is an exception to produce the records upon order of court of competent jurisdiction. Thus all the efforts, successful so far, to prevent "Discovery" in all of the suits filed challenging the BHO's eligibility.
But of course, he's admitted that he's not eligible, when he wrote (or Bill Ayers ghost wrote) that his father was a British National at the time of his birth, and that he was a dual citizen at birth.
I’m curious: what prompted you to revive this thread?
The Christians In Action, as those in defense intelligence community called them, are not the only folks with the ability to sneak and peek, and produce documents, real or otherwise. Nor are they particularly beloved by the Defense Intelligence community. (Defense Intelligence Agency, and each of the services Intelligence organizations such as he Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency, and similar outfits in the other services, plus of course the special ops forces, like SEALs, Green Berets, etc. etc.)
Here's a picture taken last month at my old unit, renamed a couple of times, and shifted from the old Systems Command to AFISRC and it's predecessors, since I was assigned to it.
(The flagpole is new, they didn't have one before.) I like what the young whippersnapper CO had to say on the occasion:
"With each gust of wind,this flag strikes fear into our enemies, brings pride to our faithful and displays confidently to the world that the United States is never to be taken lightly."
Sniff...Grin.
Americans do not like very expensive practical jokes paid for with tax dollars. If Obama is a straight forward natural born citizen, then by witholding the needed documents this is what he is doing. He is using tax money to play a practice joke.
Please remember that the U.S. attorneys defending Obama are being frivolously distracted, due to Obama’s perverted sense of humor, from dealing with issues that are a real danger to society. If Obama is found to be a natural born citizen, I don't think Americans will be amused.
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