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Obama to force Israel to give up nukes?
Hotair ^ | 5/6/2009 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 05/06/2009 7:44:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Washington Times reports that Barack Obama may counter demands from Israel to confront Iran over their nuclear program by confronting Israel over theirs. Eli Lake has the exclusive on the Obama administration’s strategy to force Israel under the umbrella of the non-proliferation treaty, apparently as a condition to getting Iran to surrender their nukes. The effort will include India and Pakistan, and comes from a 2006 Saudi peace plan that would leave Israel at the mercy of the armies surrounding the state:

"President Obama’s efforts to curb the spread of nuclear weapons threaten to expose and derail a 40-year-old secret U.S. agreement to shield Israel’s nuclear weapons from international scrutiny, former and current U.S. and Israeli officials and nuclear specialists say."

The issue will likely come to a head when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with Mr. Obama on May 18 in Washington. Mr. Netanyahu is expected to seek assurances from Mr. Obama that he will uphold the U.S. commitment and will not trade Israeli nuclear concessions for Iranian ones.

Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller, speaking Tuesday at a U.N. meeting on the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), said Israel should join the treaty, which would require Israel to declare and relinquish its nuclear arsenal.

Gottemoeller has a track record of demanding Israeli disarmament:

" However, Ms. Gottemoeller endorsed the concept of a nuclear-free Middle East in a 2005 paper that she co-authored, “Universal Compliance: A Strategy for Nuclear Security.”

“Instead of defensively trying to ignore Israels nuclear status, the United States and Israel should proactively call for regional dialogue to specify the conditions necessary to achieve a zone free of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons,” she wrote.

The paper recommends that Israel take steps to disarm in exchange for its neighbors getting rid of chemical and biological weapons programs as well as Iran forgoing uranium enrichment.

The Obama administration appointed Gottemoeller, fully cognizant of her thinking on this issue. One has to assume that her appointment to the senior position at State constitutes an endorsement of those positions. It wouldn’t be the most radical thinking about Israel from this administration; Samantha Powers, who works between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Ambassador Susan Rice, once called for a Western occupation of Israel and forced disarmament of their entire army.

Gottemoeller’s speech had to have been cleared by the Obama administration, and so appears to represent their foreign-policy position. The Bush administration and its predecessors handled the situation more tactfully, supporting a “nuclear-free Middle East” without naming names. Why? The position of Israel in the Middle East is unique. They are not just simply another nation among many. They had been the one successful continuous democracy in that region, save Turkey, and quite obviously surrounded by nations explicitly threatening to annihilate them. Israel had to develop a deterrent that would keep a nation of 5 million people alive among 100 million enemies.

Over the years, some of those neighbors have moderated their stance somewhat towards Israel; Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel, but in Egypt’s case only because Washington pays them to do it. None of the rest of the nations in that region even recognize Israel’s existence, and two of them — Syria and Iran — have a long-running proxy war of terror running against Israel. Under those conditions, Israel can be forgiven for thinking that a deterrent is still a damned good idea.

Besides, the Iranian nuclear program threatens the US as well. We want to stop Iran from building nukes to keep them out of the hands of terrorists, and not just those aimed at Israel. They don’t call us the Great Satan out of respect, after all, and Iranian leadership has been just as annihilationist towards America as it has been towards Israel. Instead of disarming our allies, maybe we should just concentrate on disarming our enemies.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhofascism; communist; democrats; dhimmicrats; fascism; fubo; illegalbastard; islamicterrorism; islamofacist; israel; nukes; obama; wot
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To: Scythian
See this ...

History repeats itself. Each time the cycle repeats, it's worse than the one before it.

81 posted on 05/06/2009 9:19:52 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: JamesP81
Pointless. No one loses any sleep at night over Israeli, British, or French nuclear weapons. People do lose sleep at night over the idea of an Iranian nuke. There is a reason for this.

What I see is Judeo-Christian western cultural values
versus Islamic death cults values.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
82 posted on 05/06/2009 9:20:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Obamageddon
Wow. Good post. I searched to read the rest of the letter........

The quoted text below lays out a plan for three world wars ending with Luciferian World Government.........
............Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion............

83 posted on 05/06/2009 9:31:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SeekAndFind
The issue will likely come to a head when Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with Mr. Obama on May 18 in Washington. Mr. Netanyahu is expected to seek assurances from Mr. Obama that he will uphold the U.S. commitment and will not trade Israeli nuclear concessions for Iranian ones.

Who wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall at that meeting ?

I am now beginning to entertain ideas that I thought were over the top, i.e. 0bama is in thrall to the Spirit of the Anti-Christ.

85 posted on 05/06/2009 9:34:59 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: concerned about politics
God to the Jews - "I sent you a king and you rejected him. Along will come another and it is he you will accept."

Just to be clear: I'm not talking about the Jews ... I'm talking about what Obama's narcissism is telling him about the Jews will think.

They're not necessarily the same thing. OTOH, you could be right ... Obama's not just a celebrity in his own mind.

86 posted on 05/06/2009 9:42:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: GonzoGOP
Israel can win a war today. America's economy cannot survive a war in the Persian gulf. I hate to diss my own country but right now the U.S. has a very weak hand, and Netanyahu can either fold or call. I say raise, up the stakes, let Obama know that the adults will be taking charge now. He is petty, but not terribly brave. Go all in and I don't see The One standing on principal. Heck I'm not even sure he has any.

They don't play poker where 0bama got his chops.

He won't see this coming.

Excellent strategy.

If Netanyahu does come, I want to see if there is a live follow up presser with a slow burn exhibited by both parties.

0bama may just shine Netanyahu on, like he did to Gordon Brown after their meeting.

87 posted on 05/06/2009 9:46:33 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: stylecouncilor
"Tell ya' the truth Willie, I don't know what to think of Tom...now...." --from The Caine Mutiny
88 posted on 05/06/2009 9:55:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Mountain Troll
If Israel has to get rid of it’s nukes, I can think of a few good places to drop them off.

Hee hee...

89 posted on 05/06/2009 9:59:31 AM PDT by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: happygrl
They don't play poker where 0bama got his chops.

A vain man is never good a poker. The best strategy is stay quiet or to play the fool until its too late for the other guy to get his money off the table. Obama is always bragging, making promises that he has no power to keep (like he can stop Iran). He has thrown his bankroll into the pot before the last card has been dealt. He's a fool with a lot of money, but as anybody who has been to Vegas knows that is not a situation that can remain for log. Either you wise up fast, or go broke faster.

If Israel tells Obama to pound sand, what can the US actually do.

* Cut off military supplies, 1) Israel can buy them from other sources. This isn't the cold war, France, Russia, China would all be willing to sell Israel anything they wanted in exchange for cash or technical help in developing new weapons. 2) The US defense industry needs the business. When congress critters from districts with defense contractors are already getting hit by layoffs POing one of our best customers isn't going to make friends on the hill.

* Give open military support to the Arabs. Oh i'm sure he would want to, but even the most dense member of the US public realize that that constitutes giving aid and comfort to Al Quida.

* Go to the UN. They already hate Israel. There is nothing more they can do to support the terrorists that the UN hasn't already done.
90 posted on 05/06/2009 10:12:02 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: F15Eagle

Exhausted by weeks of prayer with my prayer group (and even some fasting) before the election, I literally pulled the covers up over my head and was deeply depressed the day AFTER election. My thinking has now evolved into a different perspective: God has already written the last chapter, and HE WINS! With most books, I NEVER read the last chapter first. I am coming around to seeing Obama NOT as the free agent he claims to be, but a person that God will use for His own purposes. He is an unwitting “puppet” of the Lord before whom he will one day BOW. Somehow all of this is working for Israel’s good.


91 posted on 05/06/2009 10:18:23 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama doesn’t have the ability to force Israel to do anything. If I were Israel, I’d certainly ignore the fascist muslim in the White House.


92 posted on 05/06/2009 10:19:43 AM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ancient Israel stood up to the Roman Empire, modern Israel can stand up to Rome’s successor, the US. Better to not have to, of course, but Israel must act in its own interest first. The fact is that Israel shouldn’t give up ANY weapon, and certainly not based on a treaty (much less a hoped-for agreement) with regimes that are based on a culture and religion that says that lying to one’s enemies is a virtue. Nukes are Israel’s only material guarantee that they will still be there - without them, the whole country would become an oven before long.

Bibi ought to say “We will give up our ultimate means of self-defense after you give up yours, just like we’ll give up our sovereign territory after you give back the entire SW United States to Mexico. Until then, don’t lecture us about anything, and don’t demand that we do anything that we believe will endanger our people. Oh, and if you want to cut off aid, go ahead - we’re not some bank or auto company that you can boss around because you give us a few dollars. We are, of course, eternally grateful to the American public and past American Presidents who share our values and value our friendship.”


93 posted on 05/06/2009 10:22:15 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Brilliant plan when Israel has no way to defend herself with conventional weapons against the overwhelming disparity in land and military size of its enemies. If Israel gives up her nukes, she would be obliterated within a week.


95 posted on 05/06/2009 10:29:40 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Scythian

I hope Bibi comes on May 18th to personally deliver the after action report on taking out Iran’s nukes!


96 posted on 05/06/2009 10:30:39 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: F15Eagle

Look up! For when these things begin to happen, your Salvation draweth nigh! See you in the air!


97 posted on 05/06/2009 10:37:38 AM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Will88; NMEwithin
Or what?

Unfortunately, the or whats can involve fighter jets, spare parts and other critical military material Israel can only obtain from the US.

Israel can probably reverse engineer just about anything they need to - survival comes before legal niceties. Further, I'll bet that they can work out a very nice agreement with China to exchange technology for military equipment. Again, survival first.

Oh, and if BO wants to ensure that Iran gets thoroughly nuked, there are few better ways than to tell Israel "good luck guys, we're not backing you any more, we like the Arabs and Iran better." Because in that scenario, Israel is at its relative strongest vs. its known and probable enemies at exactly the moment that it is cut off - it weakens thereafter, and would be utterly insane not to deal with Iran within weeks at most.

Also, both BO and Iran seem to be entirely discounting Israel's most effective weapon, one that is unerringly swift, accurate and effective. They only have one, but that's all that they need - its the Mk. 1 Lord of Hosts.

And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

G-d to Abraham, Genesis 12:3

98 posted on 05/06/2009 10:37:41 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: exit82

That would be be bad.
Pres. Obama might do just that...


99 posted on 05/06/2009 10:42:36 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: traumer

“Jooos, lay down your weapons.”

“Kenyan, come and get them!”

http://moviesonline.ca/TheFeed/index.php?id=300-laydownyourweapons


100 posted on 05/06/2009 10:43:10 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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