Posted on 05/03/2009 8:02:08 PM PDT by truthandlife
Rep. Charlie Rangel, Congress's lone champion of reinstating the military draft, can count on another Korean War-era vet for support: Republican James Baker, a soldier in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Baker, secretary of state during the first Gulf War, visited a private girls' school in Virginia, where he was asked how to attract kids into some kind of service that gives them a stake in the country's future. "This is a very unpopular thing that I am about to say," he warned. "But one thing that makes it harder to go to war is to have a draft, because when you have a draft, then everybody's got a stake in it, and the costs of war are brought home much more vividly and vigorously to the American people. I think national service is a wonderful idea." But unlikely, he conceded: "You get killed if you support a draft, politically, but it sure would raise the stakes. Everybody would understand a lot better what we have at stake when we go to war."
Whoever, whatever party, is stupid enough to bring the draft back will have a dead albatross around their neck.
If it sounded like everyone who was drafted was a dushbag that was not my intentions and would gladly apologize if it was taken that way.
coincidentially, the below article was posted right after yours and states ethnic minorities compose only 6% of the armed forces. In light of such a small percentage of ethnic minorities who have volunteered on their own to serve their country, perhaps a draft would provide more more equal share of the responsibility for defending our country?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2243531/posts
“We should draft a 100,000 each year, train them through basic and a short duration advanced specialization (total active time no more than six months), then return them to civilian life.
They would not be required to serve in either the National Guard nor the Reserves. Only if there was a declared war, such as the two World Wars would they be called back to service.”
No....we shouldnt.
It only creates your definition of miltia at the administrative level - not at the level of the Second Amendment (2A).
The Doctrine of Negative Rights (DNR) is the power the 2A invokes to acknowledge the pre-existing militia status of The People.
Since the US Constitution creates the only country based on the DNR, it simultaniously and necessarily redefines the word militia under those auspices, from direct derivativation. The definition of militia you are talking about, however, is NOT the 2A/DNR definition.
Exactly!
I agree with Baker 100%.
People would probably end-up much more well-adjusted if they went into the military; but I don’t think a draft is a desirable thing, unless the countries fate is determined without it (ie circumstances like world wars).
“The draft would bring in a bunch of dushbags who did not want to be there just like in the 60’s.”
My best friend was drafted, was killed in battle of Hue during Tet 68. I think of him from time to time..his name is Richard Ballantine, US Marines, Infantryman. He was 19. He is not a dushbag.
Why would the Saudis want a draft?
The military does not want any return of the draft. You want the best soldiers you can find. This can only occur when people WANT to join.
Baker may want a draft for honorable reasons, but a peacetime draft would harm the nation. Until WWII, the US did not have a tradition of a peacetime draft. We have plenty of high quality young men and women who are willing to fight for our nation without a draft.
Rangel, OTOH, supports the draft because it would destroy the military effectiveness of our armed forces.
He wants draft evaders, angry soldiers who are unwilling to fight and protestors.
So it would not take much to make such service compulsory.
This is the draft that is already happening.
We will never see another military draft, the forces don;t want it, and they have successfully defeated the military draft movement.
So it would not take much to make such service compulsory.
This is the draft that is already happening.
We will never see another military draft, the forces don;t want it, and they have successfully defeated the military draft movement.
So the fascist call for action is then switched to a completely different draft initiative, although it is not called a draft,it effectively is, and will soon likely become compulsory. Thats what liberals want. An army of mindless ideologues to do Obama's bidding.
“I think national service is a wonderful idea.”
That’s the problem right there. “National service” is the worst reason in the world to perform national service. But it is the one cited by politicians and socialists as the reason to have national service. It is not a reason, but an end.
This may seem subtle, but it isn’t. It is like the difference between militarism an militancy. Militarism is loving the military because you love pretty uniforms, drill & ceremony, and get a thrill out of uniformity. Militancy, however, is the will and the training to fight and defeat an enemy, with minimal loss of life. It is hard, cold, and at times ugly.
So why to people perform “national service?” They do it for themselves, their family and friends, their “people”, their honor, their love of God, their traditions, sometimes for the money, and the training and camaraderie.
They perform “national service”, but not because it is national service.
Only politicians and socialists want national service as an end in itself. They want to imagine people like a hive of bees, all identical, all performing the same function. All devoted to the hive and their queen.
But this is why they are always disappointed. People just aren’t, and can’t be made to be like that.
Now we know why TX voted for Mark White for attorney general in 1978.
In dear leader’s New America, the only people who will have “money” will be certain select party members. So, we don’t have to worry about, “a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight...”
Note too for proper attribute, the “dushbag” quote was NOT from any of my posts. Don’t twist MY words.
‘Flip Syria!’
Remember that one, folks?
I stopped taking advice from Baker at that moment...and nothing I’ve seen from him since has caused me to rethink it.
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