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'Microstamping' keeps track of handguns (NY)
Albany Times Union ^ | April 30, 2009 | RICK KARLIN

Posted on 04/30/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by neverdem

Bill awaits Senate action to help trace pistols; opponents question cost, effectiveness

ALBANY — As the state Assembly passes a number of gun control measures, members of the newly Democratic state Senate joined gun control advocates to push for a proposal to mandate "microstamping" on semiautomatic pistols sold in the state. "This is a tough-on-crime, smart-on-crime proposal," said Sen. Eric Schneiderman, D-New York City, who is shepherding the measure through the Senate.

The plan, originally put forth by Assemblywoman Michelle Schimel, D-Great Neck, already passed in the lower house, where Democrats hold a 109-to-41 majority.

But with the Senate this year under a new 32-to-30 Democratic majority, advocates are hoping microstamping and other gun measures will pass there as well.

Microstamping is a process in which lasers put a distinctive mark on a weapon's firing pin. That mark is then etched into each cartridge casing when the gun is fired. Supporters including police and prosecutors say it could help them better match shell casings to a given weapon.

But the plan has opponents too, including representatives of gun manufacturers who question whether the stamps couldn't be tampered with by criminals.

Others say they fear it would add to the cost of weapons, although proponents say microstamping would add a few dollars at most.

Either way, some of the upstate-downstate divisions on this issue were on display at the Capitol on Wednesday.

Shortly after the news conference promoting microstamping, gun enthusiasts — including many from upstate — gathered at the Capitol to lobby lawmakers against enacting the proposal.

The Schneiderman-Schimel proposal would mandate microstamping for handguns made after Jan. 1, 2011.

California has passed a similar law that takes effect in 2010.

Rick Karlin can be reached at (518) 454-5758 or rkarlin@timesunion.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 65grendel; banglist; buygoldnow; buygunsnow; colddeadhands; democrats; donttreadonme; givemeliberty; guncontrol; livefreeordie; microstamping; rememberthealamo; shallnotbeinfringed; treeofliberty
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To: JamesP81

There’s a video before the NY state senate, where a firearm industry representative replaces every micro-stamped part of a pistol in less than a minute.

Barrel, firing pin, etc.


21 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:24 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: JamesP81

And hopefully they’ll do in the same way that Ronnie Barrett did when the LAPD used one of his 50 caliber rifles as a prop for getting the 50-caliber ban passed in CA :D


22 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:36 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Paladin2
"How hard would it be to Dremmel the microstamp off the pin?"

EXACTLY . . how long do they think it will take before the bad guys figure that one out? Or how to use it in giving them an alibi?
23 posted on 04/30/2009 1:45:48 PM PDT by mentor2k
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To: JamesP81
How about just replace the firing pin? They’re usually pretty common replacement parts for any firearm.

The legislation probably has a provision that make it an offense to possess a gun which does not have an operational micro-stamping ability. This then turns into a way to convict a legal gun owner who defended himself with a gun whose microstamping had worn away.

24 posted on 04/30/2009 1:50:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: thefactor

They’ll pass a law requiring that revolvers be left at the scene of the crime.


25 posted on 04/30/2009 1:50:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: CGTRWK

You hit the salient point in all of this. For this scheme to work (solve crimes) the govt. has to know who actually owns the gun. That requires registration does it not? Camel’s nose under the tent.


26 posted on 04/30/2009 1:51:09 PM PDT by technically right
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To: neverdem; SJSAMPLE

Wonder how much these guys got greased by the sole technology provider?


27 posted on 04/30/2009 1:51:15 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem

Hmmm.... What about the gazillion guns out there already?


28 posted on 04/30/2009 1:54:37 PM PDT by Currentriverrat (Stop cap and trade fraud.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Paladin2

This is intended to staft you, not criminals.

So the question isn’t how it effects criminals, it’s how does it effect you.

Just one more requirement to make gun ownership a hassle is my guess.


29 posted on 04/30/2009 2:03:27 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Ayers Lied, People Died. No Justice, No Peace.)
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To: Paladin2

Just take the firing pin and stroke it on a piece of emery cloth. Works wonders. and the breach face can be cleaned of microstamps the same way.


30 posted on 04/30/2009 2:06:15 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.)
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To: neverdem

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" ~Senator Charles Schumer, 1993


31 posted on 04/30/2009 2:08:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" will be ready the first week of May.)
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To: Puppage
Just use a revolver.

Or police your brass.

32 posted on 04/30/2009 2:10:25 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: neverdem
Maybe they should put amendment on the bill making crime illegal!! Criminals won't want to break the law robbing banks or killing people. Then crime will just go away, and the sky will fill with rainbows and unicorns...Just like uncle Obie promised!!
33 posted on 04/30/2009 2:11:11 PM PDT by skully (Hey Benedict Arlen: you forgot to take McCain, Graham, Snowe, and Collins with you!!!)
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To: neverdem

In the not so distance future...

Knock Knock. Mr Yokel, this is the police. You’re under arrest for accessory to 1st degree murder. You allowed your handgun to be stolen.


34 posted on 04/30/2009 2:13:13 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yep, just another way to hassle legal gun owners and manufacturers. Criminals won’t be affected one bit.

I hope the idiot company that is pushing this micro-stamping idea on state governments loses every cent they have.


35 posted on 04/30/2009 2:18:48 PM PDT by kamikaze2000
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To: DuncanWaring

or after you empty your cylider, you must open it and expend all the used casings.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 2:20:07 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: JamesP81

why would you hope that?


37 posted on 04/30/2009 2:22:23 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: neverdem

How much you wanna bet that the doofusses that are in favor of this think that this will somehow mark the actual projectile?

Remember, these laws are proposed by idiots who know nothing about guns.


38 posted on 04/30/2009 2:24:21 PM PDT by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: thefactor
why would you hope that?

If it's not allowed to the plebes, it shouldn't be allowed to the government. That's why when after CA banned 50-cal rifles and then the LAPD sent a Barret 50 cal back to Murfreesboro, TN for service, Mr Ronnie Barrett canceled the LAPD's contract, sent the rifle back untouched, and told them to go straight down to hell. I wish all gun manufacturers would do that. Certainly, if I owned a company that made firearms, I would not sell them to any government agency that wasn't subject to the same laws as the populace.
39 posted on 04/30/2009 2:28:14 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: neverdem

Cause we all know the Criminals will follow the law and not modify their guns......

[I don’t think I need to even bother with a /sarc tag here, this is so freakin ridiculous]


40 posted on 04/30/2009 2:31:29 PM PDT by HammerT (Buy them before they BAN them!!!!!!)
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