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"Where the hell it got all these genes from we don't know"
Nature and independent reporting ^ | April 27, 2007 | Greg C.

Posted on 04/27/2009 9:01:55 PM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

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To: DB

If this thing spreads like crazy but the “kill rate” is not materially worse than any other flu, then the questions becomes... so what? I think the virus is too unstable to do national damage. Plus, people are just plain healthier than they were in 1918. Most lived with outhouses on farms in those days and diets were primarily eat what you grow or kill. Now, Americans, while obese, are very healthy people in general. I hope I’m right. Because if I’m wrong, I’m going to look like a major fool, myself...


41 posted on 04/27/2009 10:01:56 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: El Gato

Good question.


42 posted on 04/27/2009 10:04:02 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

how can 3 strains of a virus co-exist to create a manufactured pandemic?


43 posted on 04/27/2009 10:09:17 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Off Hunting--- for the COLB)
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To: EternalVigilance
The very words "product" and "nature" at their root imply a Creator.

Than may be, but evolutionary evidence (from the Apollo 11 mission) tells us that Earth's creation happened about four thousand five hundred million years ago.

Go figure.

44 posted on 04/27/2009 10:14:51 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.


45 posted on 04/27/2009 10:19:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO = "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The scary thing is that this virus seems enormously transmissible," "Genetics are so novel, that humans are unlikely to have any immunity from it..." "But this is a real super-mixed-up virus." "For me this is the time to start deploying national pandemic plans — we need to act now." "Humans unlikely to have any

More scary than Climate Control. I feel bad about the sick fols but just a few weeks ago the MSM and other stations were promotomg the new BIO CHIPS mark of the beast justification?

Lockheed RFID chip in 2008

Obama NA union and small part on RFID chip

And of course the Jackie mason spin...no flu virus YET

46 posted on 04/27/2009 10:22:04 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: DB
Try Fort Dietric, MD. The Chinese and Russians are not pikers either. Sh!tflies from Granjas Carroll de Mexico in Veracruz provide plausible deniability. One must ask why the pandemic declaration over approximately 200 dead Mexicans. Not to be crude, but that is a gnatfart in a hurricane.
47 posted on 04/27/2009 10:24:25 PM PDT by AH_LiveRight
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To: AmericanGirlRising
"I still think this is a distraction from something the White House is trying to pull."

Try Cap & Trade...

48 posted on 04/27/2009 10:30:21 PM PDT by redhead (REMEMBER DAN'S BAKE SALE!!!)
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To: prismsinc

Or the movie “Outbreak”


49 posted on 04/27/2009 10:39:51 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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Lets just have everyone stay home

A town tried that in 1918. Got it through the mail.

You have to shutdown everything - mail, food, water, electricity, gas distribution… in order for everyone staying at home working by completely isolating themselves from contact with others or with the outside.

50 posted on 04/27/2009 10:42:46 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: joesjane

Sorry, meant to address my #50 to you.


51 posted on 04/27/2009 10:43:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kirkwood

Sounds like it was engineered. Escaped from a lab or was it released on purpose?


My thots exactly.


52 posted on 04/27/2009 10:49:47 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Wonder if our founding fathers would even recognize the USA?!)
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To: EternalVigilance; OldNavyVet

Nor is it any less so just because you declaim it.

I think the whole origins debate has consumed WAY too much time and energy that those involved could have more beneficially contributed elsewhere in society.

Within the realm of Christian life [as differentiated from simply christian life] the debate on what happened 6000 or 4.5 billion years ago has really sucked a great deal of wind out of the Great Commission. But, then, I suppose that’s to be expected since the prevalence of cessationism has left much of Christendom bereft of tangible, present-day proofs of the existence of this Almighty God.

Absent some truly evident and undeniable miracles, we’re left with little more than the pursuit of intellectualized arguments hopped up with a bit of theological lingo to make them palatable on a Sunday morning. So, off to the crevo wars we go, as another generation pitches over the edge of the Abyss.

Had Darwin predated Wesley, Wesley STILL would not have needed to argue the topic; the power of God evident in his preaching was testament to the veracity of his message. When John Wesley took to the field to preach, the power of the Spirit of YHVH would so move upon his hearers that on at least one occasion, when he had concluded, there were more than 1,800 people lying on the ground utterly unconscious; rocked to the very core of their being by a personal encounter with The VERY real and VERY living God.

I guarantee when THAT kind of thing happens to a man, it makes NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL what he personally believes about the origins of the universe and mankind, nor ought the Church care; it becomes an insignificant issue compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ.


53 posted on 04/27/2009 10:52:37 PM PDT by HKMk23 (The Truth isn't something; it's someone.)
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To: April Lexington

The 1918 flu had a kill rate of around 1% in US I believe.

For Mexico this flu as been around 6%.

Who knows...


54 posted on 04/27/2009 10:52:47 PM PDT by DB
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To: Nachoman

He will no doubt try to take advantage of flu any way he can—a crisis is such a good thing to waste :(


55 posted on 04/27/2009 10:53:08 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Wonder if our founding fathers would even recognize the USA?!)
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To: AH_LiveRight

Simply because the death rate is so high of the people infected. In Mexico the death rate of those infected has been around 6%. That’s extremely high. If that death rate were to remain constant and the virus is highly transmittable which it appears to be that’s bad. Real bad. But only if both those things hold true.

The 1918 flu pandemic that killed perhaps 100 million people worldwide had a death rate of something like 1% in the US in comparison.


56 posted on 04/27/2009 10:58:17 PM PDT by DB
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To: HKMk23

What you believe about origins matters, even in the public sphere. If you believe we’re a nothing but a product of nature and not of nature’s God, just about anything goes.

Fortunately we live in a country that was founded by those who understood that we were created in God’s image, and that therefore the rights to life, liberty and private property that He gave us are in justice unalienable by mere men.


57 posted on 04/27/2009 11:03:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO)
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To: DB

If it’s not the kill rate, then it must be the transmission rate?

I keep hearing the similarity with the Spanish Flu is it killing strong people - their young strong immune systems end up killing them in response to the virus.

Does this characteristic correlate with transmission rate?


58 posted on 04/27/2009 11:11:20 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: April Lexington
I come down on the side of this being a natural occurence, rather than a deliberate attack.

If this does become a big killer, it's probably going to hit a lot harder in the Islamic world and Latin America than in developed countries.

59 posted on 04/27/2009 11:15:47 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: AmericanGirlRising
I still think this is a distraction from something the White House is trying to pull.

I know what you mean, and I'm not certain that there's any tinfoil involved. They clearly admit to loving distractions, and their saps on the Hill are set to nationalize 17 percent of the economy on Wednesday, Oh, I mean "overhaul health care."

Even the viral publicity of this thing is enough to weird me out.

60 posted on 04/27/2009 11:19:08 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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