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Cheney for President (Times' Columnist Douhat Wishes Cheney, not McCain, Had Lost in '08)
NYTimes ^ | April 27, 2009 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 04/27/2009 6:16:05 PM PDT by GOPGuide

And John McCain’s defeat has been taken as the vindication of this premise.

We tried running the maverick reformer, the argument goes, and look what it got us. What Americans want is real conservatism, not some crypto-liberal imitation.

“Real conservatism,” in this narrative, means a particular strain of right-wingery: a conservatism of supply-side economics and stress positions, uninterested in social policy and dismissive of libertarian qualms about the national-security state. And Dick Cheney happens to be its diamond-hard distillation. The former vice-president kept his distance from the Bush administration’s attempts at domestic reform, and he had little time for the idealistic, religiously infused side of his boss’s policy agenda. He was for tax cuts at home and pre-emptive warfare overseas; anything else he seemed to disdain as sentimentalism.

This is precisely the sort of conservatism that’s ascendant in today’s much-reduced Republican Party, from the talk radio dials to the party’s grassroots. And a Cheney-for-President campaign would have been an instructive test of its political viability.

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We need to hear more: What was done and who approved it, and what intelligence we really gleaned from it. Not so that we can prosecute – unless the Democratic Party has taken leave of its senses – but so that we can learn, and pass judgment, and struggle toward consensus.

Here Dick Cheney, prodded by the ironies of history into demanding greater disclosure about programs he once sought to keep completely secret, has an important role to play. He wants to defend his record; let him defend it. And let the country judge.

But better if this debate had happened during the campaign season. And better, perhaps, if Cheney himself had been there to have it out.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheney; dickcheney; douthat; duplicate; moron; rossdouthat
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Ross Douthat has a degree from Harvard and he opposes Cheney and "torture"!

We should all listent to him!

PS: He claims to be a Conservative

1 posted on 04/27/2009 6:16:05 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Ross Douthat

2 posted on 04/27/2009 6:16:45 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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Ross can shove it.

Cheney would be a better President than McLame and Hussein combined.


3 posted on 04/27/2009 6:17:10 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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“And a Cheney-for-President campaign would have been an instructive test of its political viability.”

Dick Cheney running for President would have been Obama’s and his minions in the medias worst nightmare.

That’s why they selected McCain to run as the sacrificial RINO.


4 posted on 04/27/2009 6:18:40 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The time has come to tell the salmon-eating international busybodies to mind their own business.")
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Douthat = doughhead.


5 posted on 04/27/2009 6:18:55 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (When the going gets tough, Democrats switch sides.)
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Put another way: Cheney is more presidential in the sweat he excretes from his nether regions than Hussein and McLame have in their highest moments of intellectual and moral capacity.

It is like comparing the Taj Mahal with a homeless person’s cardboard shack.


6 posted on 04/27/2009 6:19:10 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Douthat went to Harvard, and you didn’t so what do YOU know about politics?

/s


7 posted on 04/27/2009 6:19:31 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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and he had little time for the idealistic, religiously infused side of his boss’s policy agenda.

Shouldn't the NYT like the fact that he wasn't an evil religious person?

8 posted on 04/27/2009 6:22:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway (Are the Good Times Really Over?)
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Anyone who calls conservatism “right-wingery” doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. Madison, Jefferson, Adama, Washington. All those right wingers. That is conservatism.


9 posted on 04/27/2009 6:27:38 PM PDT by Bahbah
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Anyone who calls conservatism “right-wingery” doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about.

Douthat is a Republican, seemingly of the Olympia Snowe wing of the party...

10 posted on 04/27/2009 6:30:04 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Did you know Douthat wrote a book about how the GOP needs to move to the center to win again?

I tell ya, with armchair “strategists” like this, who needs Axelrod.


11 posted on 04/27/2009 6:30:59 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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I don’t know the guy...BUT.....

the conservatives that I know....DO NOT OPPOSE TORTURE

treat them little b#$^&*() better than the way they would treat us....just torture, not death.....


12 posted on 04/27/2009 6:33:47 PM PDT by nbhunt
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Hey, look, another “enlightened conservative”!


13 posted on 04/27/2009 6:36:56 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: nickcarraway

Cheney may be pro-defense and pro-tax cuts (hurrah!) but alas, he is no social conservative. He wants to leave gay marriage up to the states, which means the courts will step into inter-state conflicts and impose homosexual laws on us.

He might say he’s pro-life but like John McCain, he’s not going to fight for it. He makes himself a national laughingstock by unapologetically using the F-word on the Senate floor. What does that teach our children in our foul-mouthed society?

Cheney is right on defense and right on taxes — but no guiding vision and no real moral core.


14 posted on 04/27/2009 6:38:01 PM PDT by heye2monn
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He looks like a real puddin’ boy.


15 posted on 04/27/2009 6:41:37 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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Cheney/Palin - would’ve made an interesting race.


16 posted on 04/27/2009 6:49:47 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: heye2monn

Cheney happens to believe in the Constitution. That is to what the Constitution did not say, that power belongs to the States. Each States has to decide for themselve what the Same Sex Marraige means. Cheney has no power even as Presdent to decide what the end game is to be in this particular case.

He doesn’t want the Government to decide the Social aspect of the public. Period.


17 posted on 04/27/2009 6:50:38 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (`)
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(Douhat) Claims to be a conservative.

Yeah, so do seminar callers for Rush. And David Brooks, and Peggy Noo.... nevermind.

First, Cheney would have beaten Obama. The low approval ratings are simply MSM spin.

Here Dick Cheney, prodded by the ironies of history into demanding greater disclosure about programs he once sought to keep completely secret, has an important role to play. He wants to defend his record; let him defend it. And let the country judge.

And second, there is no 'irony' here. Just your dropping of context, idiot. The 'demanding greater disclosure about programs he once sought to keep completely secret' is _after the fact_ that part of those secrets were treasonously released by Obama. You see, Douh...Asshat, there is no irony when half the story is released. Go back and check your 'irony' notes in Literature 101.

18 posted on 04/27/2009 7:15:21 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: GOPGuide
I think the author's name is misspelled. I believe the correct spelling to be Asshat.
19 posted on 04/27/2009 7:17:19 PM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: joesjane

My first thought when I saw his picture was,”There’s someone who got beat up in grade school.”


20 posted on 04/27/2009 7:44:08 PM PDT by Free_SJersey (Liberty can promote equality- manditory equality will kill liberty. CONSTITUTION FIRST!)
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