[Rameumptom]

>>>>I wouldn't boast about the nazis and the LDS church if I were you. The LDS germans co-existed quite nicely with the nazis.

Except for the Mormons like Helmuth Hubner who lost their heads to Hitler's Guillotines for speaking out against him. Besides you have violated Godwin's law in overstating an association between Nazi's and the LDS church.

My grandfather served his mission in Germany and took a picture of Hitler in a parade and subsequently had his camera confiscated by the SS. He and his mission companion were interrogated all night once b/c they were thought to be America spies. They had two gaurds that would tail them to all their appointments and write down who they were seeing. Understandably many church members and investigators did not want to meet with them with their tag along Nazi's but some were brave enough to continue. He has many interesting stories.

His local barber had his uniform and once asked if he would help some Jews escape. My grandfather declined because he thought it was a trap (though he did like the man generally). He did worry about the impact it would have on the church and missionary work if he was caught helping Jews escape. 10 days before the war started Heber J. Grant pulled all the missionaries out of Europe. My grandfather returned to Germany years later and talked to his barber. He asked him if he was serious about helping escapees. He replied he was.

During the war he worked for the FBI decoding German communication because of his fluency in the language.

I asked him once about the propaganda effects and he said its hard to describe, he knew Hitler was evil but with the positive mass demonstrations and speeches coupled with the threat of fear and terror does affect you.

So if my grandfather hadn't been as worried about losing his head like Helmuth Hubner and other Mormons did, or worried about getting innocet German church memebrs locked up he may put his and their lives in peril to help. But saying the LDS church coexisted with the Nazi's is overstating it quite a bit.

[Tennessee Nana]

Tnteresting...

You grandfather had my admiration for his courage to stay in Germany during that period...
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“He did worry about the impact it would have on the church and missionary work if he was caught helping Jews escape.”

[greyfoxx39]

Besides you have violated Godwin's law in overstating an association between Nazi's and the LDS church.

I'm not the one who brought up nazis.

"Our 12th Article of Faith isn’t a blind statement - German Mormons didn’t use it as an excuse to exterminate the Jews despite Hitler’s extermination order was the “law of the land.”-Edward Watson

As to your story regarding the actions of your grandfather....the less said, the better.