Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
McVeigh reference prompts response David Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic, not 'right-wing,' plot
Posted: April 23, 2009 2:37 pm Eastern
WorldNetDaily
David Schippers
Responding to the Obama administration's attempt to justify a controversial "right-wing extremism" report by citing Timothy McVeigh, a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists.
David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books. Davis asserts McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators but part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq . The explosion April 19, 1995, at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured another 684.
In the video, released by America's Truth Forum, Schippers says there's "no question the Oklahoma City bombing was a part of a state-sponsored attack on the heartland of the United States ."
"I have been asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether there was any kind of federal cover-up. The simple and direct answer is yes," he said. "Unquestionably, a federal cover-up beginning in 1995 and continuing to today."
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The fact that they didn't explains how solid the case was.
It was the FBI in conjunction with the ATF, Skull and Bones, and the Illuminati. What actually happened is that Bush Sr. flew an SR71 into the building. It was done to cover up the DEA plot to smuggle drugs into black neighborhoods.
It’s all there in the UFO files.
The whole building didn't come down. Only the front part, next to where the truck with the bomb was.
Please provide a link or two you think relevant that indicates who these experts are and what their opinions are.
ML/NJ
“Of course, something that points strongly to a government coverup is how QUICKLY their death penalties were carried out.”
It wasn’t a “THEIR” (plural) it was a him. You have theories based on the execution of more than one person. How correct is the rest of your theory when you don’t even have the simplest facts straight. Only McVeigh was put to death for the crime. McVeigh waived his right to an appeal and thus the government had no alternative but to put him to death. The government can’t force someone to appeal their verdict and in those very rare cases, the next date set for the execution must be carried out.
Is Jayne Davis around anymore? Or is she still in hiding?
“Please provide a link or two you think relevant that indicates who these experts are and what their opinions are.”
Oh, here we go with the next phase of the conspiracy theory. “Send me links to your experts and I’ll send you links to my experts.” I have no idea who they were but it is self apparent that a lot of experts were involved. You don’t investigate a bombing of this magnitude without demo experts going through the scene, figuring out what caused it, what the chemicals involved were, and where the point of detonation was. Had it been as obvious as you say it was, most of those guys would have been the first to say the building could not have been brought down by the truck bomb. Unless, of course, they were all part of some vast conspiracy to cover it up.
That says it all!
ML/NJ
“There were several whiteness’s that said they saw a rocket hit the plane.”
And it has been shown beyond any doubt that there was no rocket. It was debris from the plane that appeared to be a rocket. No one saw the rocket before it hit the plane, they all said they looked up when they heard the explosion and saw the rocket trail. That plane was reassembled and gone over with a fine tooth comb. Not one trace of explosives was found anywhere on the plane. Again, hundreds of FBI experts were involved in the investigation and to believe all of them conspired to cover it up is fantasy. They would have had to be brought into a room, told that even though they all knew it was a rocket, they were all to go along with the coverup and claim it was an electrical failure due to improperly harnessed wires.
I have said before and will believe till the day I die,
That 9-11 was meant to happen on Al Gore’s watch and was meant to be blamed on the “VRWC”.
“That says it all!”
Ahh, the typical conspiracy retort. Since I can’t provide names of the actual people on the ground, then clearly your information must be more valid. Ok, provide me with the names of the demo experts on the sight who have lied and covered up how the building was brought down. I am sure you have no idea.
ATF was in charge, but the FBI was also involved. It seems that there were SO MANY double agents at Elohim City, where much of the plotting took place, that there may actually have been no outside terrorists at all, ONLY double agents.
The CIA was also involved, apparently, to the extent that Lt. Andreas Strassmeier, with high up connections in the German government and in the country illegally without a green card, was also at Elohim City, and took three trips to OKC, in Nov 94, December 94, and February 95. The FBI knew about him but let him leave the country after the bombing and only bothered to give him a perfunctory phone call a year later. His father belonged to the Christian Democratic Party and was party chief in Berlin in the l980s and then parliamentary Secretary of State to Helmut Kohl in 1989-91. Hardly an extremist. Nothing has been heard from him since. The obvious theory is that he was helping to connect German and American intelligence for the CIA.
He told Evans-Pritchard in an interview afterwards that he worked for German Intelligence, and also that he did undercover work for the German police. He had connections with American Colonel Petruskie, who did intelligence work in Vietnam and then was brought back into active service during the Gulf War—working with Islamic intelligence.
All of this is documented in a number of articles and books. This particular information comes from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, one of the few mainstream reporters who actually bothered to investigate this business. As I mentioned, he is now chief economics reporter for the Telegraph (UK), and has no obvious axe to grind.
Certainly McVeigh and Nichols were involved. They were guilty. But they were the fall guys, while the other players, including the elusive “third” bomber, were permitted to escape untouched and unquestioned.
Clinton had thoroughly corrupted the FBI by that point, and the ATF was fighting for its life against politicians who wanted to close it down. Of course they were happy to do what he wanted.
Do I have a degree in Physics? No, I do have a degree in civil engineering, and have actually overseen the construction of buildings and assisted in the design of buildings.
The lateral force required to pulverize reinforced concrete columns in the size and number of those in the Murrah Building did not come from the truck bomb, because most of the force of the bomb did not go toward the building.
If the field of force of the explosion is a 360 degree circle or sphere, because an unshaped charge travels in all directions at the time of detonation, then at most 90 degrees of the circle or one fourth of the sphere engaged the Murrah Building, meaning that only one fourth of the explosive force took down the building.
The other three quarters of the force was wasted in directions away from the building, ie down and away from the building.
A SHAPED charge of that mass of ammonia nitrate and fuel MIGHT have done the trick, but still highly doubtful. There was no way to shape the explosive force.
The lateral force of the blast had to severe the first floor columns back three or four bays into the building, and across most of the front of the building. As the blast goes farther into the building, it has less force,because the force is used up as the front columns are encountered and bypassed.
So the force required to do the actual damage done was far in excess of what a rental truck could hold, using only one fourth of the available explosive force.
That is why from day one I was not buying the official story. And at the time, I was responsible for the HQ facilities and security for a very large corporation, which included thousands of employees and high rise buildings.
...a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists. David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books.
Lt. Andreas Strassmeier, with high up connections in the German government and in the country illegally without a green card.
The obvious theory is that he was helping to connect German and American intelligence for the CIA.
Where do you this stuff from? If was working with or for the CIA he doesn’t need a green card. If he worked for German intelligence he would come to the US under the auspices of his government and not even need a visa, much less a green card. This total lack of understanding of even the simplest of things seems rampant in all the conspiracy posts.
I didn’t say the whole building came down. I was drawing a parallel to why truck bombs are not effective ways to bring down a building. Too many variables and a lot of wasted undirected force.
The only expert whose testimony was actually presented at the trial was Brigadier General Partin, who had a lifetime’s experience as a demolition expert. Regretably, the FBI scoffed at his report and the trial judge was persuaded to ignore it. No other expert evidence was presented on that issue.
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