Posted on 04/23/2009 4:19:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon
McVeigh reference prompts response David Schippers contends OKC bomber part of Islamic, not 'right-wing,' plot
Posted: April 23, 2009 2:37 pm Eastern
WorldNetDaily
David Schippers
Responding to the Obama administration's attempt to justify a controversial "right-wing extremism" report by citing Timothy McVeigh, a counter-terrorism group has posted a video statement by a prominent Democrat investigator who contends the Oklahoma City bomb plot was hatched not by right-wingers but by Islamic jihadists.
David Schippers, the chief counsel for the 1998 impeachment trial of President Clinton, probed the bombing with investigative reporter Jayna Davis, author of "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing", by WND Books. Davis asserts McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not the lone conspirators but part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq . The explosion April 19, 1995, at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured another 684.
In the video, released by America's Truth Forum, Schippers says there's "no question the Oklahoma City bombing was a part of a state-sponsored attack on the heartland of the United States ."
"I have been asked about the Oklahoma bombing and whether there was any kind of federal cover-up. The simple and direct answer is yes," he said. "Unquestionably, a federal cover-up beginning in 1995 and continuing to today."
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He said there was no crater under the truck. It was an unshaped charge that could not have doneI spoke to a Denver Fire Chief who was a first responder.
this much damage to the Murrah building.
“My experience with you is that you do not know what you are talking about.”
I don’t need any experience to know he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Way too many people in this thread sound like Rosie Odonell. Tehy start with an idiotic premise that the truck could not have brought down the building and the next thing you know, FBI agents planted the charges. It’s sick.
The only help he needs is to get the correct agency. It was ATF that was in charge of that one, not FBI.
Your ‘friend’ lacks the credentials of General Benjamin K. Partin.
You are either incredably naive, or incredibly stupid.
I won’t bother committing to either.
Not only Jayna Davis’ book required reading but a reminder of NYTimes connection to shutting down the investigation.
“Isn’t it amazing that it takes 20 to 25 years to put a murderer to death and the Government put Tim down in a month.”
He was convicted in 1999 and sentenced to death. In January of 2001 he waived all further appeals and asked for his execution to be carried out. He was executed 6 months later. All people sentenced to death get an execution date set within months of the the verdict. It is always lifted when an appeal is filed. When he refused to appeal the government executed him on schedule. No mystery, no conspiracy, no black helicopters. You people need to get a grip.
I wouldn't call it an idiotic premise. Partin obviously is not an idiot. My only point is that there are experts with different opinions about this and if you're relatively unwashed regarding explosives as I am, then it's best not to think you know for sure what happened.
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should have asked KSM, Zubayda and that fricken yemeni what’s his face when their heads came up from the water!!!! Yeah I know, I’m really sensitive and probably going to prison.
I appreciate the facts. You had my respect until the last sentence. I tell my liberal friends it is about ideas and issues, not personal attacks.
Your friend knows that unshaped charges, which that truck bomb was, explode with equal force in all directions.
That’s simple physics.
The Murrah building was reinforced concrete construction full of intertwined reinforcing steel.
The front facade would have come down, but that building fell apart almost all the way to the back column bay.
Why didn’t that happen across the street? There was no resistance to the blast force as it crossed the street, unlike the Murrah building which would have resisted the blast.
The truck might have taken down the first bay of the building, but not all the way to the back.
A wooden building, a dryvit faced building with steel studding yes, but not one of reinforced concrete.
Not the size and location of those columns.
Simple physics.
Otherwise, Controlled Demolition Inc. could implode buildings by parking a truck outside a building and bring it down.
Doesn’t happen that way.
“You are either incredably naive, or incredibly stupid.”
You people are demented. You sound like typical conspiracy nuts. You have absolutely no evidence to support your thesis, so you pose questions based on misinformation, then claim you have proven something. To support your conspiracy there would have had to have been hundreds of people involved, all of whom have gone along with the worst coverup in American history. This is absolutely no different than the idiotic theory that planted explosives brought down the twin towers. You and Rosie are kinfolk. We can’t even keep the waterboarding of three terrorists off the front page and you presume we could hide a massive conspiracy to bring down a federal building.
HTF do you know? The fact is you don't. Do you have a degree in anything besides Basket Saving? You don't know anything more about my acquaintance than you do about explosives. Your bloviating is an embarrassment to FreeRepublic.
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“My only point is that there are experts with different opinions about this and if you’re relatively unwashed regarding explosives as I am”
I am not unwashed about explosives, but it is irrelevant. The experts on the scene had absolutely no doubt what brought the building down. Do you honestly believe that the experts on the scene were wrong or covered up the truth because they were ordered to?
McVeigh and Nichols were guilty. It is a shame that we did not learn more about their connections with other terrorist groups.I agree with you on both points: they did it and others were involved.
What I don't understand is why neither of them tried to avert the death penalty by screaming loudly "I'll tell you who put me up to this if you let me live!" at their trial.
The fact that NEITHER of them did it, is evidence, in my mind, of lack of a strong connection to "others".
And I say that believing that there was SOME kind of connection.
But then why wouldn't they sing to save their skins? They weren't jihadists. They weren't going to the land of 72 virgins. Why, then?
Of course, something that points strongly to a government coverup is how QUICKLY their death penalties were carried out. No other death sentences in this country ever get carried out so quickly.
“I tell my liberal friends it is about ideas and issues, not personal attacks.”
Accusing the good people who investigated this thing of somehow being involved in a coverup is the ultimate in disrespect. Some ideas don’t deserve respect.
I’ve read Davis’ book. I think Mcveigh was used and greatly involved. However, there was great evidence of Iraqi Guard involvement also.
What sticks with me in that book is that one of the “persons of interest” (an Iraqi) left the Oklahoma City & then was employed at the Boston Logan Airport. Coincdence?
Also, why was McVeigh executed (and willing to be) to quickly, especially since there are persons on death row for year.
I strongly recommend reading Davis’ book. She was the first reporter on the scene & followed it. It is very well researched.
Another one!
Do you have a degree in Physics? (I do.) I do not think of myself as an idiot. I do not believe that we have anything close to the full story about what happened in Oklahoma City. But unlike you, and others here, I have had a chance to pose questions about the event to an expert with no motive to try to fool me (He's very much on the FR side!) and I thought he had answers for all my questions. Some of those questions were specifically about Partin's analysis which I think I presented to him. This wasn't a four minute talk we had, and I believe we subsequently followed up with email back and forth.
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“Simple physics.”
So simple that all the demo experts on the scene either lied or weren’t as smart as you.
The idiotic bantering on this thread is NOT any different from the idiots who claim 9/11 was a conspiracy by Bush to start a war and to profit. Unbelievable idiots.
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