Posted on 04/21/2009 6:16:28 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
China to display nuclear submarines in Qingdao fleet parade
www.chinaview.cn 2009-04-21 01:05:44
QINGDAO, April 20 (Xinhua) -- China will display its nuclear powered submarines for the first time in history during a fleet parade to mark the 60th anniversary of the People's Liberation Army Navy, a senior navy officer said here Monday.
Ding Yiping, deputy commander of the PLA Navy, made the remarks during an exclusive interview with Xinhua, but did not disclose any further details about the submarines.
"It is not a secret that China has nuclear submarines, which are key to safeguarding our country's national security," Ding said, adding that the number of China's nuclear submarines were far less than those of the United States and Russia.
Ding stressed that China's national defense policy and nuclear strategy is purely defensive in nature, and that the country's naval forces would not pose any threat to other countries.
"The PLA Navy will continue to make contributions to maintain world, regional and maritime peace," he said.
The PLA Navy will celebrate its 60th birthday on Thursday this week joined by 21 naval vessels from 14 other countries and delegations from 29 other countries.
A four-day celebration that includes seminars, a fleet parade and a sampan race will be held off the coast of the eastern city of Qingdao.
Ping!
By MARTIN SIEFF, UPI Senior News Analyst
Published: March 26, 2009
WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The continuing tensions over Russia's refusal to sell its state-of-the-art land warfare advanced weapons systems to China hasn't interrupted the rhythm of major joint military exercises between the two major land powers on the Eurasian landmass. The latest in the regular, biennial series of exercises between the two nations has been confirmed for this summer.
The next in the now well-established series of exercises called Peace Mission 2009 will be carried out in northeastern China, the Russian Defense Ministry announced March 18, according to a report carried by the RIA Novosti news agency.
The first bilateral Peace Mission maneuvers -- described at the time as counter-terrorism exercises -- were held in Russia and the eastern Chinese province of Shandong in August 2005. As we reported at that time, they were a lot bigger than mere counter-terrorism exercises. Warships, squadrons of combat aircraft and more than 10,000 troops were involved carrying out landings against hypothetically hostile shores. The maneuvers also involved large-scale paratroops drops. The scale and nature of those exercises suggested a trial run for a possible Chinese invasion of Taiwan with Russian support. ..."
http://www.upi.com/Security_Industry/2009/03/26/Russia_China_plan_new_joint_military_exercises/UPI-25021238094858/
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764
Nuke fuel? All it takes is one bomb and we’ll have radiated underwear from what’s left of China.
maybe one of them chicom subs needs to have an “accident’ in the deep ocean. good time to test out torpedos.
we need to stop the chicoms fast. they will bankrupt us as we try to meet them militarily. they got the money, manpower and will to be a super power to beat us.
aweful thought that the chicoms are using our technology to build these submarines that can rain death on us.
Thanks to clinton, the bushes and all in government that trusted china, that said exposing them to the west via trade will make them nice. to hell with them that sold high tech to china, that moved factories from here to there in the last couple decades. real smart bussiness move. now the bussiness will be taxed like crazy to pay for our own defense. that defense will cost ten times as much, now that china has our technology.
to hell with the free traders,a dn pro-growth ‘republicans” that sanctioned trade with red china.
20 years ago I knew this was a bad thing, to trade with china. my semiconductor factory that i worked in in calif. was moved to red china, we used to make milsepc parts in there, stuff for fighters, submarines, rockets etc... now teh chincom are using that factory, moved to china by some greedy corportations that think more of the short term profit, than the long term stability and safety of America
recall the British sold the nazia aircraft enignes, the prototype stuka dive bomber had a british engine in it!!!! dispite warings to not trade, the liberals in Britain sold the nazi’s the engine, in hopes it would foster trust. dumb, dumb. did they learn???NO after teh war, Britain , a leader in jet engine technolgy, sold its latest jet engine to the USSR, in hope it would bring on trust. that engine was copied (with NO royalties) and put in the soviet MIG 15, that MIG -15 was a huge amd deadly surprise to our pilots in korea a few years later.
it is always stupid to trade with teh commies. dont we get it???? they will hang us with the rope we sell them. again and again.
time to get smart and boycott china, stop all this free trade with them. it is free trade all right, the chicoms get free technolgy, and have teh freedom of the purse strings to build up there own evil military (and believe you me, china is EVIL)
I hate the big fat cat companies that have sold out freedom for a quick profit in red china. I hate the politicans that allowed it , in fact encouraged it. it is traitorist to do trade with the chicoms. free trade has not made them nicer, it has emboldend them, and made them stronger. stupid us.
New Type 093 SSN, ADCAP LA Class capability, 3-4 in service:
HAN Class SSN, early Sturgeon Class capable, 5 in service:
Type 094 SSBN, James Madison Class capable, 2-3 in service:
Xia Class SSBN, Lafyette Class capable, 1 in service:
All of these are noteworthy, particularly the newer designs now coming out in some numbers. The PLAN continues to excel in and build many advanced deisel electric subs to defend their coastal, littoral waters. Thye have about 40 of those now...with more, older, less capable boats as well.
Not trying to start an arguement here, just asking for future reference. But how many SSBN’s do the Russians have compared to China? I had read somewhere, that over the course of the next decade, Russia will build another 12 SSBN’s.
Delta III SSBNs: 04
Delta IV SSBNs : 06
Typhoon SSBNs : 02
For a total of 12 right now. I am not sure how often they are actually out on patrol or in what numbers though. They just have not had the cash to maintain these very well.
Two of their new Borei class are supposed to be ready in 2010 when the 4 Delta IIIs and last 2 Typhoons are slated for decomissioning...leaving 10 SSBNs total at that point.
Then in 2015 they are supposed to have 6 Borei and 6 Delta IVs, then in 2020, 8 Borei and 4 Delta IVs, maintaing 12 boats once again.
It was launched in 2007, has been to sea, but still does not have its missiles loaded and is therefore not operational (as of Dec 2008).
Two more boats are under construction...but it is taking a LONG time. The first was over nine years in building and is still not operational.
After being colonized, the Chinese to me are without a doubt determined to make sure it never happens again and are simply itching for a chance to start something.
They’ve wrecked Tibet, but I do not doubt that they desperately want to prove themselves. Recently they have done stuff to the pirates, but they are yearning to do more.
I think that’s why a lot of world governments are so quickly to bend, they do not want to get the Chinese government worked up and the next thing you know they are launching missles and invading.
Clinton was a stupid hippie and the Bushes were businessmen before politicians. They saw a business deal, not a diplomatic or military situation.
Unfortunately we don’t have many former diplomats in office and we do not have enough veterans in office. We have too many highly insulated people who treat war as a game and diplomacy like making friends on an international playground.
Two more boats are under construction...but it is taking a LONG time. The first was over nine years in building and is still not operational.
R&D costs always takes a long time as a stable configuration requires alot of redesign. But once a stable configuration is achieved, it's just a matter of providing funding to keep the supply chain moving. And minor redesigns for each new one built.
You mean as new information is stolen from the West.
Well, I'm not really familiar with how the Russians develop military hardware. I suppose they are still doing it, but I don't typically keep current on this particular subject (military).
I wasn't trying anything. I thought you were talking about Russia since it is well known that the former USSR had a very extensive espionage network run by the KGB. And we were talking about the Russian sub.
I personally don't believe China steals technology from the West, or at least to the degree that it is believed. Manufacturing requires so much interaction between suppliers, engineers, scientists, etc., that stealing really isn't the bulk of a nations ability to produce something. If it was easy to build something simply by stealing know how, wouldn't the Somali pritates be using something more sophisticated than AK-47's and RPG's? And wouldn't countries like Iran and N. Korea be sending their own version of GPS systems into space?
I personally believe, whatever organization China has for "stealing" technology, PALES in comparison to what the KGB had going during the height of the USSR. China is so plugged into the global economy, that they have the scientific, engineering, manufacturing and financial infrastructure in place to develop their own military. The USSR did not.
But we are on to you.
Tell me where I am lying and I will retract my statement.
Try this link.
Or even this.
Or yet again this.
PWN3D.
Just so I understand you, you are implying (with these links), that the hacking in a modern day system (that can be done by anyone in the world) is a greater organized governmental effort than the top down organization of the former USSR's hierarchy of espionage network? I really doubt that.
You realize that there are thousands of hacking attempts on the pentagon systems everyday by everyone around the globe. I suppose it's more politically correct to bring up China since they are the most capable of actually producing a product with this information. But you also realize many of the disruptive hacking and virus' in this world do come from Russia. And I believe you know that. Not just Russia, but from everywhere. From government all the way to the kid in his room late at night. China's hacking makes the news because they have the greatest infrastructure in place to develop something with it. But I'm willing to bet, more of the hacking comes from Russia, but doesn't make the news the way a Chinese hacker would.
I saw an ABC news report about cycber attacks and they specifically said that largest source comes from Russia. Of course, on this site, I only hear about Chinese attempts.
You accuse me of propaganda. But you call it that because of what you want to believe. But dig a little deeper, and you will see that Russia is a greater threat to world stability than China. Well.... Russia is a threat period and China is not.
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