Posted on 04/18/2009 11:15:16 PM PDT by Squidpup
Seventy five years ago is going to seem like yesterday here in just a second.
Take a look at this cartoon published in the Chicago Tribune on April 21, 1934 titled, “PLANNED ECONOMY OR PLANNED DESTRUCTION?”
It’s true for most that their sense of history usually extends into the past only about as far as the day they decided to start paying attention to what was going on around them.
An old saying goes something like this: “History, it is said, repeats itself. Few but are reminded almost every day of something that has gone before.”
Every “crisis” seems brand new, any manner of “suffering” in today’s world could never have been imagined nor experienced by mankind in the past…so people think as they muddle through their day.
sweet find!
just change the names and it still fits today...
Very good find. Well, we saw the outcome of that last one and the socialist president in the office then. I guess we can assume the same outcome on this one. Redistribution of wealth, expansion of social programs, loss of more individual rights. Please 2010, hurry up and get here.
The difference is that the economy of the 1930’s grew itself out of the debt burden of government spending. People always say “because of the war”, but wasn’t this just a command economy carried to the nth degree? Well, the thing is that the nation grew through the forties and fifties - in population, and every measure of consumption and production.
Now we are faced with an official policy of economic contraction, in the form of the “carbon cap”. The Obamites are clearly modeling their actions on historical examples of growth, but I don’t see how this can be repeated.
From Chicago no less... The only iron(y) still made in the US.
That one's a keeper, thanks!
Yeah, global American hegemony. Just what everybody is predicting ( and gloating over ) the demise of at this point in time. What are you smoking?
The single most important part of the cartoon is “Blame the Capitalists for the Failure.” That’s what they do every time, and every time it gets easier. I’ve had long conversations with many people who understand and approve of free market principles on a regular basis, who nonetheless believe the Great Depression was caused by capitalist excess, and that Roosevelt eased our pain until WWII pulled us out. Darn shame.
It is he, who as Sec. of Interior, practically woke up one morning and siezed resources (oil) off of California's and La's coast.
La's been fightin' it ever since.
If one is interested in the Long dynasty of La., there's a fascinating story that goes with this episode in La's and the US' political history.
“Yeah, global American hegemony. Just what everybody is predicting ( and gloating over ) the demise of at this point in time.”
That was one of the outcomes. Or rather, near hegemony. You forgot about Russia, a much “advanced” socialist nation. We all know socialists can win wars. Whether or not command economies are the best for peace is another matter.
Obviously I’m smoking on logic. Are you telling me that the “New Deal” was a greatly successful social experiment in regards to helping the U.S. economy or are we forgetting that the whole thing extended the recession? Not to mention the creation of social security and several other programs that have done nothing, but fail.
Not for a second. As big and as dangerous as they made themselves, they were revealed as posers in the end. Nobody's fretting over the eminent demise of the ruble, we may note.
Yes but still, we have the whole kissy face thing with Chavez and Castro, don't we? It's like a horror movie.
http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/summer_2002_3.html
Here is a good read on the subject. The 100% tax on anything over $25,000 blew me away.
“As big and as dangerous as they made themselves, they were revealed as posers in the end”
Rome eventually fell, too. Doesn’t mean their centuries of hegemony weren’t real. The Soviet Union half-dominated world politics for 45 years. Former satellites, especially China, are still kicking. Can’t take that away from them.
Well ... who knows? At the time, people loved it, and Hoover dam is still there. Roosevelt's influence was so pervasive that it's impossible to construct an alternative history with any kind of persuasive power. One way or the other, we grew and prospered.
I will give credit where credit is due and he was a major factor in WWII, but there is just too much information out there based on the failed policies of his social engineering programs(and they most definitely were that). Read that article I sent you, very good information in there as to why people “loved it.” It was basically control of the masses in a politicized way.
I read it and it is quite persuasive. I have been tuned into this idea for a number of years now, but again, it is very hard to imagine the alternative history, especially since WWII and the subsequent economic growth kind of wiped the slate clean.
So, the obvious rejoinder to this cartoon is that everything worked out in the end for Roosevelt, so why not for Obama? You guys are swimming against history! It’s a poor argument, but I don’t think it’s countered very well by trying to emphasize what a disaster Roosevelt was, when people just don’t see it that way.
Ignorance of the issues(on the peoples’ part) does not contend that what he did helped? I for one do not like paying for social security that I for one will most likely never see. Anybody that depends on the government solely to cover them when they retire...........is in trouble. Which is why 12% of gross income goes to my 401(k). It ticks me off when I see that money going to social security when I could be putting into my 401(k). As such though, I will let this issue die on my side now. If you wish to discuss further though, I am all for it.
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