Sarkozy snipes at 'dim' Spanish PM and 'weak' Barack Obama

Times UK ^ | April 17, 2009 | Chuck Bremer

[TMA62]

I was just about to post the same thing. Seriously, Sarkozy has the vision, leadership, and experience that Zero lacks.

If Sarkozy is saying this (and at least the other leaders are saying this behind our backs), you could imagine what they will be saying 1 year from now!

[contemplator]

Since you are taking the side of every Frenchman who ever won a campaign, I would assume you are asking for a list of every American leader who won a major military victory.

Do you really want such a list? Technically your list doesn’t list only victories, your stated reason for listing de Gaulle for example was because he had good theories and was a ‘leader’.

To truly compare apples to apples we should really compare the two countries during the same timeframes. You listed 10 Frenchmen since the 1700’s. Here are some Americans during the same timeframe: George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Blackjack Pershing, George Marshall, U.S. Grant, Robert E. Lee, Dwight Eisenhower, George Patton, Douglas MacArthur, Norman Schwartzkopf, David Patraeus.

[RoadTest]

I agree with Sarkozy. The Spaniards went wobbly for the terrorists and Barack Hussein Obama is a menace to mankind..

[bushpilot1]

Im not so sure French should be labled as “surrender monkeys.

I am asking the poster to list his victories in war or his battle campaigns.

My intent was not to compare the list with American military commanders.

[kabar]

There are a certain number of things on which he has no position. And he is not always up to standard on decision-making and efficiency.”

Sarkozy has sized up Obama well. That said, this is really a hit piece by the Times against Sarkozy. I thought the racial bit at the end was over the top.

[Condor51]

The US President is weak ... That.. is .. according to President Sarkozy

When you've been b*t*h-slapped by a Frog, you've reached the bottom.

[contemplator]

You aren’t offering the poster a fair comparison. You are listing the achievements of an entire country and asking a single individual to compete. It’s the equivalent of saying that unless you are a world renowned chef you don’t have the right to form a judgement on whether or not your dinner tastes good. It denies your opponent the right to form any opinion on any topic unless they are recognized as a leader in the field. It’s a grade-school debate tactic and doesn’t represent you very well.

Logically, the fair way to get at your point would be to first ask the poster to list all of the reasons for his/her characterization, and then adress those points.
I can only assume that the slur refers to actions taken by French leaders during WWII. The first counter-argument to that particular point would obviously be that the charcterization of all French as ‘surrender monkeys’ is as flawed as characterizing all Americans as racists and all Germans as Nazi’s based on a snapshot of the world taken 50 years ago.

[ConservativeMind]

I don’t know, Sarkosy was one of the strongest proponents of full governmental control of all financial instruments and of nationalizing banks and businesses as the recent financial situation unfolded.

It’s funny how he’s seemed to change his perspective back over the past week or two.

He’s changed his colors so fast, you’d think he was from a country of surrender monkeys.

[M. Espinola]

Sarko is right on both counts.

[bushfamfan]

And is this anywhere in the American press?? Obviously not as they are nothing but the 0bama Propaganda Ministry and have always been. When this was Bush they printed all the criticism and accused Bush of alienating our allies!! Now look at France actually in strong hands and America being the surrender monkey. And we are going to go down in such weakness. I admire Sarkozy and the fact that France actually has that kind of leadership while its citizens cheer our downfall with someone so opposite of view that they’ve had in the past and woke up to the reality of what THEY want.

[bushpilot1]

surrender monkeys and grade school debate tactics.

First the French are insulted now an American military combat veteran. I posted a list of names and battles in an attempt to show the French are not surrender monkeys.

[contemplator]

surrender monkeys and grade school debate tactics.

First the French are insulted now an American military combat veteran.I posted a list of names and battles in an attempt to show the French are not surrender monkeys.

I am a combat veteran as well. You and I both know that service to someones country has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not their debating arguments are valid. Injecting it into the conversation as if it were relevant is just a form of misdirection.

[fso301]

Please tell us your victories in battle?

Actually, I like Sarkozy and should not have used a term describing a few effete leaders from the nations history in a broad brush sense.

[N3WBI3]

Sorry guys lets be straight on this... Politics end at the waters edge and I don’t approve of any foreign leader trashing the president...

[Cincinna]

Sarkozy is President of France. He is operating within the confines of his own culture, and government structure.

[Heatseeker]

"Hey Barack, you sleep with the horse, I get to sleep with this."

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from April 16, 2009. Honest, all I did was try a little search for previously unnoticed "Joan of Arc" topics. ;') Thanks pissant.

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from 04/16/2009. Thanks pissant.

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